[eXpat]

R.I.P. Bill of Rights 1789 - 2011
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')NaturalNews) One of the most extraordinary documents in human history -- the Bill of Rights -- has come to an end under President Barack Obama. Derived from sacred principles of natural law, the Bill of Rights has come to a sudden and catastrophic end with the President's signing of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a law that grants the U.S. military the "legal" right to conduct secret kidnappings of U.S. citizens, followed by indefinite detention, interrogation, torture and even murder. This is all conducted completely outside the protection of law, with no jury, no trial, no legal representation and not even any requirement that the government produce evidence against the accused. It is a system of outright government tyranny against the American people, and it effectively nullifies the Bill of Rights.

In what will be remembered as the most traitorous executive signing ever committed against the American people, President Obama signed the bill on New Year's Eve, a time when most Americans were engaged in the consumption of alcohol. It seems appropriate, of course, since no intelligent American could accept the tyranny of this bill if they were sober.

This is the law that will cement Obama's legacy in the history books as the traitor who nullified the Bill of Rights and paved America's pathway down a road of tyranny that will make Nazi Germany's war crimes look like child's play. If Bush had signed a law like this, liberals would have been screaming "impeachment!"

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse3', 'I') think everyone here is against this unconstitutional law but yet all we peons do is fight amongst ourselves getting caught up in political what ifs as to how someone might have voted. It's a waste of time. This is a crime against the people and it's now the law of the land. We're all in this together so act like it and decide what are we going to do about it

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse3', 'I') think everyone here is against this unconstitutional law but yet all we peons do is fight amongst ourselves getting caught up in political what ifs as to how someone might have voted. It's a waste of time. This is a crime against the people and it's now the law of the land. We're all in this together so act like it and decide what are we going to do about it

[Pops]

I'll not apologize for O, he should have vetoed it.

I'm glad he is acting the part of the compromising grownup on the one hand but disappointed on the other that he stands up for nothing.

At least he convinced the 'pubs to give the POTUS discretion instead of simply activating Posse Comitatus whole cloth. I also praised Paul for calling for the roll call vote, not that it did much in the end. None of the FBI/CIA or .mil wanted this, it was primarily congressional republicans and skeered dems in conservative seats.

Why be coy? This is a patently right wing move.


And calling O a war criminal? What is that about? Do you think that makes the crimes of the previous administration somehow less criminal?

Another example of "Repeat until Believed" revisionism - Think hard, it was the previous administration that started 2 wars and brought us the "Patriot Act".

I just don't get the simpleminded partisan posturing from seemingly smart people.

[PrestonSturges]

And the "Libertarians" who are "constitutional originalists" or "strict constructionists" might want to take this opportunity to just STFU since their fantastically narrow and contrived interpretations of the Constitution leaves holes big enough to drive a truck through for people who oppose civil liberties. I have no patience for the Federalist Society types who claim there are no rights beyond the narrowest interpretations.

[Cog]

You really have no clue what you are talking about do you? ^^^^

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
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And calling O a war criminal? What is that about? Do you think that makes the crimes of the previous administration somehow less criminal?

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'Y')ou really have no clue what you are talking about do you? ^^^^

[rangerone314]

Obama didn't start the stinking pile of poop that Bush started, but he has taken no steps to clean it up. In fact, he has collaborated with creating a bigger pile by refusing to show any spine. He either doesn't care, believes as they do, or has no spine.

I wouldn't believe anything Obama says (as if I did before) and anyone who does I have to ask what color the sky is on the world they come from.

I think someone should organize a march on DC, specifically to Congress, dressed like Congressmen carrying copies of the Bill of Rights, and then publicly urinate on them (much as Congress has done).

[UFCjunkie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'i')t's always tin Pops...until it's not - obomba signed this into law last night.

[Pops]

Carenike, ou're right about alawaki (?) and the whole drone program as far as I'm concerned - it's inevitable I suppose.

BTW, that reminds me, check out "Area 51", I picked it up at the library a few weeks ago. You and AP will dig it I think. It's not about little green men - except as cover - it's about the CIAs U-2 & A-12 (later USAF SR-71) and nuke testing in the desert.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'C')arenike, ou're right about alawaki (?) and the whole drone program as far as I'm concerned - it's inevitable I suppose.

BTW, that reminds me, check out "Area 51", I picked it up at the library a few weeks ago. You and AP will dig it I think. It's not about little green men - except as cover - it's about the CIAs U-2 & A-12 (later USAF SR-71) and nuke testing in the desert.

[IndigoMoon]

Next in line.....
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/new-bill-known-as-enemy-expatriation-act-would-allow-government-to-strip-citizenship-without-conviction/
For those of you who have issues with the site Addicting Info, Google "Enemy Expatriation Act" or "HR 3166".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ongress is considering H. R. 3166 also known as the Enemy Expatriation Act, sponsored by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA). This bill would give the US government the power to strip Americans of their citizenship without being convicted of being “hostile” against the United States. In other words, you can be stripped of your nationality for “engaging in, or purposefully and materially supporting, hostilities against the United States.” Legally, the term “hostilities” means any conflict subject to the laws of war but considering the fact that the War on Terror is a little ambiguous and encompassing, any action could be labeled as supporting terrorism.

[Cog]

Since the Executive Branch, through its minions in DHS and DOD, can change the definition of what is hostility on a whim, anyone who resists government intrusion into their lives and resists it, could be declared tomorrow's terrorist.

The NDAA and this latest outrage isn't directed outside our borders. Its directed right at us.

Keep your powder dry.

[rangerone314]

How many people think it is time for a one-million man armed march in Washington DC, preferably with Guy Fawkes masks on?

Would be a good demonstration that the American people refuse to give up their 1st amendment rights to corporate lackeys in Congress.

If they want to be shown a marching permit, just show them a loaded AK47. If they try to suppress free expression, then it is time to water the Tree of Liberty.

Its time to direct something back at THEM.

[AgentR11]

Bad idea is bad.
You should, instead, go sit under a tree with some lemonade and throw nerf balls at kids.
Spill proof cup is advised.

[Cloud9]

Sanford Levinson talked about this issue in his now rather famous essay The Embarrassing Second Amendment. http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/embar.html
“As the Tianamen Square tragedy showed so graphically, AK 47's fall into that category of weapons, and that is why they are protected by the Second Amendment." [95] It is simply silly to respond that small arms are irrelevant against nuclear armed states; Witness contemporary Northern Ireland and the territories occupied by Israel, where the sophisticated weaponry of Great Britain and Israel have proved almost totally beside the point. The fact that these may not be pleasant examples does not affect the principal point, that a state facing a totally disarmed population is in a far better position, for good or ill, to suppress popular demonstrations and uprisings than one that must calculate the possibilities of its soldiers and officials being injured or killed. [96]”
The truth is a resolute minority working with the support of the population in which they operate is nearly impossible to ferret out. It is a mistake to look at the police or the military as one monolithic thing. They are not. It is true that these organizations attract specific personality types that enjoy employing the use of force to acquire their goals. Having said that, there are many within the ranks of both the military and the police that take their oaths to uphold the Constitution quite seriously. Consider the Oath Keepers. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
Even the psychopaths among the ranks of the police and military would take pause if they had credible reason to believe that their lives were in jeopardy every time they kicked someone’s door in. The new National Defense Authorization Act gives the federal government the legal authority to disappear American citizens. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... -now-what/
In years past when your home was raided you had a reasonable expectation that you would have your day in court. This was a compelling reason to submit to the arresting authorities. Now there is a distinct possibility that the arresting authority has no intention of allowing you to survive your arrest and interrogation. The rules have changed. On the federal level, the Bill of Rights has been suspended.
Should the DOD expand its arrests to include say the White Supremacists by one administration and the Nation of Islam by another, the deadly nature of these new powers will become readily apparent to the population at large. As a consequence of these efforts, the utilization of deadly force to resist such arrest will invariably rise.
Members within the military and police will break ranks and join the ethnic groups they are drawn from. Fragmentation will result. At some point, a sitting president will use these new powers to arrest and detain his or her political opponents. It has happened in the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Vallandigham
At that point we will be in or about to begin our second civil war.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'B')ad idea is bad.
You should, instead, go sit under a tree with some lemonade and throw nerf balls at kids.
Spill proof cup is advised.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'B')ad idea is bad.
You should, instead, go sit under a tree with some lemonade and throw nerf balls at kids.
Spill proof cup is advised.

[Keith_McClary]

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