[rangerone314]

Lets say someone in the press releases pictures of atrocities like Abu Graib committed by American soldiers in some country and it is deemed to incite aggression against Americans so that person disappears.

Under this law, quite easy to suppress the My Lai massacre. This is just for starters.

Perhaps a Congressman who refuses to sign a budget and threatens a shutdown of the government will be deemed a threat to the stability and security of the country and is "disappeared".

How about a blogger who is critical of the government that is followed by millions of people?

Make no mistakes, we're now on a very slippery slope and we're looking a lot more like China.

[AgentR11]

Does this mean a president could determine that Greenpeace is a terrorist organization, and then round up all the hippies?

[PrestonSturges]

OK, I just wanted to make sure the context was Bush policies. Remember, preventing civilian trials for terrorists of any sort (including Captain Underpants) was a key issue for the GOP, who was claiming Obama just "doesn't get it" right up to the death of Bin Laden. And we seem to agree on the menace posed by the "Originalist" Federalist Society corrupt crazies the GOP has appointed to the federal courts, like Scalia. You seem to repudiate nearly all the legal theories of the GOP, so congrats for that.

The passionate Tenthers here should note that on this issue the constitutional Originalists (Salia, Alito, Thomas) would say there is no right of habeas corpus in the Constitutution (which is technically true in a much fuller sense than many points promoted by Tenthers.) That's why GOP appointees are such a threat to civil liberties, and Tenthers seem to be in the dark that people aren't being sarcastic when they say the Originalists would turn the country into Somolia.

SCOTUS ruled that the Pailla filing had been done wrong (and he had no standing? That always seemed to be their excuse.) So the issue was left in legal limbo.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S citizens shall not be subject to military detention.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')Make no mistakes, we're now on a very slippery slope and we're looking a lot more like China.

[careinke]

I thought it was interesting that Obama the war criminal signed this bill. It sort of brought him out of the closet, and removed all pretenses on what side of the Constitution he is on. I should go to one of his $38,000 a plate fundraisers and ask him about it. I wonder if any 1 percenters go those fundraisers?

[stephankrasner]

Anyone could see that this was coming. This is Obama circa 2010: http://youtu.be/8mPZlysCAm0 (in front of the constitution no less)

One of his main campaign promises was to do away with this provision under the patriot act, it's one of the main reasons I voted for him. Now Ron Paul is promising to get rid of it, but he didn't vote at all. In fact only six senators, split evenly between republican and democrat voted against it. Disgusting...

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stephankrasner', 'A')nyone could see that this was coming. This is Obama circa 2010: http://youtu.be/8mPZlysCAm0 (in front of the constitution no less)

One of his main campaign promises was to do away with this provision under the patriot act, it's one of the main reasons I voted for him. Now Ron Paul is promising to get rid of it, but he didn't vote at all. In fact only six senators, split evenly between republican and democrat voted against it. Disgusting...

[PrestonSturges]

Well you may not hear Ron Paul campaigning against it since every GOP pundit lined up on the side of indefinite detention (and torture), and it's probably an article of faith for much of the GOP base.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')ell you may not hear Ron Paul campaigning against it since every GOP pundit lined up on the side of indefinite detention (and torture), and it's probably an article of faith for much of the GOP base.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')ell you may not hear Ron Paul campaigning against it since every GOP pundit lined up on the side of indefinite detention (and torture), and it's probably an article of faith for much of the GOP base.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'W')ell you may not hear Ron Paul campaigning against it since every GOP pundit lined up on the side of indefinite detention (and torture), and it's probably an article of faith for much of the GOP base.

[PrestonSturges]

Maybe you should focus less on politics and more on your personal life. Hey, we've all been there.

[Cog]

You will find that Ron Paul was one of three Republicans, who did vote against the Patriot Act, which underlies all of this nonsense, back in 2001. He also voted against extending the Patriot Act when it was due to expire in 2005. He also voted against another extension of the Patriot Act in May 2011.

So his failure to vote on the NDAA Act of 2012 is not that big of an issue to me.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'M')aybe you should focus less on politics and more on your personal life. Hey, we've all been there.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'M')aybe you should focus less on politics and more on your personal life. Hey, we've all been there.

[seahorse3]

I think everyone here is against this unconstitutional law but yet all we peons do is fight amongst ourselves getting caught up in political what ifs as to how someone might have voted. It's a waste of time. This is a crime against the people and it's now the law of the land. We're all in this together so act like it and decide what are we going to do about it

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'M')aybe you should focus less on politics and more on your personal life. Hey, we've all been there.

[Cog]

There are no political solutions to this since in the House:

190 Republicans voted for the bill and 43 voted against it, while 93 Democratic representatives voted for and 93 voted against it.

In the Senate:

Only 7 senators out of 100 voted against it. 3 Republicans, 3 Democrats, and 1 Independent(Bernie Sanders)

If you don't want to be detained by the military you don't have many options except to go down shooting.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')here are no political solutions to this since in the House:

190 Republicans voted for the bill and 43 voted against it, while 93 Democratic representatives voted for and 93 voted against it.

In the Senate:

Only 7 senators out of 100 voted against it. 3 Republicans, 3 Democrats, and 1 Independent(Bernie Sanders)

If you don't want to be detained by the military you don't have many options except to go down shooting.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')Make no mistakes, we're now on a very slippery slope and we're looking a lot more like China.