[khebab]

Last result, it's pretty overwelhming (54,87 %):



According to the French newspaper "Le Monde", the main motivations for the non vote are:
- fear of unemployment (46% of voters);
- fed up of the current situation (40%) (very French!)
- too pro-business (35% of voters);
- a rejection will lead to a rewriting (35%)
- too difficult to understand (34%)
- the inclusion of Turkey (35 % of the right-wing voters);

[Licho]

Lorenzo, people were asked regarding enlargement! There was referendum in many countries, other ratified it in parliaments - if your country didnt held referendum, you should pressure your own politicians..
All EU countries had to agree with enlargement..

It's same now - and will be same in the case of Turkey. But since EU treaty about constitution is now probably dust, Turkey membership will be decided even in less transparent way (parliaments or goverments of member countries will likely decide this, no more "risky" referendums unless public pressure against is really high or local laws force referendums about such matter..)

And constitution too "pro-business"? It's strange, people who don't like it here say it's to "against-business" and cares too much about social things and ecology and regulates trade too much..
So how are we going to find common treaty, if every country rejects is from completely opposite reasons?

[lorenzo]

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')So how are we going to find common treaty, if every country rejects is from completely opposite reasons?

[lorenzo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Licho', ' ')too "pro-business"? It's strange, people who don't like it here say it's to "against-business" and cares too much about social things and ecology and regulates trade too much..

[khebab]

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')And constitution too "pro-business"? It's strange, people who don't like it here say it's to "against-business" and cares too much about social things and ecology and regulates trade too much..

[Licho]

Do you realize, that EU countries, with such excessive social models have lowest growth in the world? That after 2 decades, china will be more rich than us, and EU will never ever catch USA, that is expanding 2x faster?
(Of course PO can put a stop on it

And about new countries - well, don't live in illusion that there is some wild capitalism .. in fact there never was, country turned communistic in 1948 after democraticly elected communists changed constitution - and even before that, capitalism was restricted, and at least basic services were provided, like basic health-care and some social security..

Right now, 15 years after eastern bloc collapsed (mainly because of extremely weak economy), 20% of people are still voting communists and overall taxation is about 55% .. yes .. 55% of income goes to state, for completly free healthcare, universities, social security that allows you to live almost like middle class without work and so on.. We even celebrate day in the year, that marks the point, when you finally work for yourself and not for state .. (It will be in june this year, but dont know which day yet, it depends on actual taxes..)

This level of taxation is probably higher than in France, Germany or Belgium..

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('khebab', 'L')ast result, it's pretty overwelhming (54,87 %):

[Barbara]

Come on, Licho, my friend, I'm very surprised a senior PO member like you are is still speaking of "growth".
We are in the best position to claim, strong and loud, that "growth" is a nonsense. Something impossible. The French, as they usually do, catched the point and voted against. There's no such a thing like "growth" to worry about, but we need to LIFT the Eastern countries to our lifestyle, and not the contrary. The welfare is not a PRODUCT, like those capitalists want us to believe, but is a protection we don't mean to leave... and fu*k the growth, sorry for the bad french lol.
And about Turkey... well, this is the truth: mainstream media is convincing us that voting against Turkey is a rightist vote. But this is absolutely NOT true: the truth is that the US is forcing the EU to accept Turkey because of US interests. That's why that stupid president we have, Berlusconi, which is a rightist, in in pole position to push the Turkey into EU. Guess why? he's Bush best friend, that's why.
So you think we should accept the Turkey just to please the US? What are we, US servants?
If the like Turkey so much, then they can easily add another star to their flag and problem solved.
We're not adding any star just for their military interests in Middle East.