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Did you go shopping on Friday?

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I went out to the mall, but just watched and did not buy anything.
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I went to the mall and shoplifted all of my presents.
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby vision-master » Sat 26 Nov 2011, 18:05:48

Then what?

Wait until they get stocked again?
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby dolanbaker » Sat 26 Nov 2011, 18:51:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')hen what?

Wait until they get stocked again?

If you get a breakdown in the supply chain, it could be a long wait.
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 26 Nov 2011, 20:09:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'W')e're cutting back some more this year. We (hubby, kids, extended family) realized that we don't usually remember what anyone gave us for Christmas six months later, unless it was really memorable, like a kid's first guitar or something. We all talked about and decided we'd rather just get together and have fun, have game nights and movie nights and maybe go bowling and tobogganing. Personally, I came to detest spending weeks running through malls trying to pick out the perfect gifts for everyone on my list. The family are all quite relieved that gifts won't be the focus of our Christmas - it means we'll have more time to relax and more money in our wallets come January.

Congratulations. Sounds like a great plan for a happy holiday season.

For me, game nights were some of the most memorable / pleasant times with the family, growing up. OTOH, we didn't have 12 gazillion forms of electronic gizmos to constantly entertain kids in my youth...
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby WildRose » Sun 27 Nov 2011, 03:00:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'W')e're cutting back some more this year. We (hubby, kids, extended family) realized that we don't usually remember what anyone gave us for Christmas six months later, unless it was really memorable, like a kid's first guitar or something. We all talked about and decided we'd rather just get together and have fun, have game nights and movie nights and maybe go bowling and tobogganing. Personally, I came to detest spending weeks running through malls trying to pick out the perfect gifts for everyone on my list. The family are all quite relieved that gifts won't be the focus of our Christmas - it means we'll have more time to relax and more money in our wallets come January.

Congratulations. Sounds like a great plan for a happy holiday season.

For me, game nights were some of the most memorable / pleasant times with the family, growing up. OTOH, we didn't have 12 gazillion forms of electronic gizmos to constantly entertain kids in my youth...


I also grew up playing board games and such - "Masterpiece" was a favorite (a bluffing game), there were several others that are still sold in stores today. We did a lot of art stuff with our kids, too - used to set them and the neighborhood kids around our long kitchen table with big pads of paper and fingerpaints, sparkles and markers, and just let them go at it for hours. We'd ask our family to send us over large boxes (from appliances, for example) and all the kids would decorate them, make houses out of them. And of course, there was Playdoh. Good memories! And outside, making snow forts and such.

I could never understand people fighting in the stores over a much sought-after toy for Christmas. The thought of such an experience makes me avoid shopping! However, imagine what it would be like if we were all trying to get our hands on things we really needed in a time of short supply - that could get nasty, and could be a big source of anxiety for a lot of folks.
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Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of children

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 27 Nov 2011, 21:27:45

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Newman was among a throng of shoppers crammed into a Buckeye, Arizona, Walmart soon after it opened late the night of Thanksgiving.
"They were just letting people in; there was nowhere to walk," said his daughter, Berneta Sanchez, who was also in the store. "Teenagers and adults were fighting for these games, taking them away from little kids and away from my father."

The suspect's grandson, Nicholas Nava, told CNN affiliate KNXV that Newman had grabbed one video game and put it under his shirt so that others jostling for the game didn't take it from him. One person alerted a police officer, who then approached Newman.

David Chadd, a CNN iReporter from Las Vegas, was among the crowd shopping for video games set up in the Walmart's grocery section. He said Newman "was not resisting" arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer.

That officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and "slammed him face first into the ground."
"It was like a bowling ball hitting the ground, that's how bad it was," he said.


Video, recorded by Chadd and later posted on CNN's iReport, shows an apparently unconscious Newman head-down on the floor in a pool of blood. As he's turned over, Buckeye police officers appear to try to revive him -- at which point his face, covered mostly in blood, is revealed.

Several voices, apparently those of fellow shoppers, are heard saying, "Why would you throw him down so hard? All he did was shoplifting and you threw him down like that?" Another person says, "They threw him down. He wasn't doing anything wrong."

Two citizens then appear to come to Newman's aid by applying paper towels to the man's nose. Chadd estimated Newman was knocked out for about 10 minutes, all the while gushing blood and handcuffed.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/26/justice/arizona-walmart-arrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


Hm. Instead of doing something about all the hooligans swiping merchandise from other customers, armed police instead beat the hell out of this guy in front of his grandkids and family.

From reading the article, I'm confident he didn't steal the stupid video game (how is it even theft if he hadn't left the store yet) -- the guy was with his family, not likely he'd shoplift. He was trying to protect what he intended to buy in the midst of a mob scene.

But even if he did intend to steal it, this kind of response is obviously insane. We keep seeing this from police over and over, mostly with the 99% protests but now it's in Walmart too.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby scas » Sun 27 Nov 2011, 22:20:51

Don't worry, as climate change, resource depletion, and economic depression set in, the middle class will be fleeced by the power-elite and brutalized by police that more and more resemble violent power-hungry thugs working for the 1% mafia.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Novus » Sun 27 Nov 2011, 23:17:59

It is standard procedure what the police do to people now. It is called a face take down where they grab a person and throw them down face first into concrete often the cop landing on top of the man. It is brutal and should not be taught to police. The thing is there is systematic militarization of the police that is training them to be gestapo stormtroopers. To the police all people are seen as "Perps" guilty until proven innocent where the system has given them almost unlimited "authority" to act as judge, jury, and executioner.


Also part of the problem is the country has a bad case of the Bystander effect. Out of 100+ people standing around nobody had the balls to stand up to that pig with a badge. Nobody said hey take those hand cuffs off this man needs an ambulance. We are just talking basic human dignity here. Our society is completely and utterly morally bankrupt at this point.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby AgentR11 » Sun 27 Nov 2011, 23:41:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'O')ur society is completely and utterly morally bankrupt at this point.


Absolute truth.
And there is no recovering that moral duty.

Prepper types need to start acting like they understand this, rather than just wandering around like all is normal, and then feigning outrage when an incident like this happens and is caught on video.

This is now normal. If you die or suffer permanent injury because a cop does this to you, the cop doesn't go to jail, you do not get resurrected, and your family's lawsuit will never yield anything other than some chump change to pay your lawyer, if you are lucky. And the cop can do it to you for fun. Welcome to America.

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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 00:19:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')here is only one way to win this battle; and that is to never place yourself in a situation where it has any modest probability of occurring.


Well you know Agent, it's hard to be 100% perfect 100% of the time.

How do you "never place yourself" in this kind of situation? Police everywhere have been militarized -- from the college campus to Walmart. So how can you avoid the police state, when the police state is everywhere?

All you can do is be careful -- there's no slack anymore. You have to be smart. Don't do what this guy did and put something in your pocket or under your shirt, even if there is a mob of teenagers trying to take it from you.

But even then, what if someone incorrectly THINKS they see you put something in your pocket in Walmart? And then they tell the Walmart riot police? What if you're hard of hearing or what if you're old and a little slow to respond -- is that resistance, do you then get the face-first takedown treatment right there between the milk and eggs?

I'll tell you a Walmart story. I always have my receipt out when I leave that store so the greeter can see when I walk out. Well one time I didn't think about it.

I get out to my truck and I'm loading my stuff up, and the fat greeter came *running* out to me. What the hell. He was nominally polite but I didn't like it at all -- it felt like "papers please," I had to prove my innocence right there.

I dug around my pockets, couldn't find my receipt. What an insulting hassle. What did he expect, that we go back inside and check the register tape or do I have to get a debit card statement, what? Weird situation. Someone demanding proof that you bought your stuff, for no probable cause whatsoever.

Anyhow I wound up finding my receipt and he said thank you have a nice day. What a bunch of crap though, this country, or at least my part of it, didn't used to be like this.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Ibon » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 00:20:52

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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 00:44:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')here is only one way to win this battle; and that is to never place yourself in a situation where it has any modest probability of occurring.
Well you know Agent, it's hard to be 100% perfect 100% of the time.


Just because its not possible to be perfect, doesn't mean the effort to achieve something isn't worth it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow do you "never place yourself" in this kind of situation? Police everywhere have been militarized -- from the college campus to Walmart. So how can you avoid the police state, when the police state is everywhere?


First off, you don't need to avoid police, you need to avoid situations where the police would be in a mentally energized condition. Crowds, exciting events, confrontations. Turn around and leave; there is nothing there that is worth being shot for someone's entertainment.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll you can do is be careful -- there's no slack anymore. You have to be smart. Don't do what this guy did and put something in your pocket or under your shirt, even if there is a mob of teenagers trying to take it from you.


He should have left the store the moment he heard the volume of the crowd. Nothing in walmart is worth that risk. Nothing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nyhow I wound up finding my receipt and he said thank you have a nice day. What a bunch of crap though, this country, or at least my part of it, didn't used to be like this.

Your story is exactly the point. It didn't used to be like this, but it sure as heck is now. As an example of how silly this kind of thing is, I *ALWAYS* get a receipt from the gas station, even if I have to go inside and wait in line; but the receipt is immediately wadded up and tossed in my little trash bin in the car. Same with other stores, I will not leave without a receipt under any circumstance. And it goes in my hand with the bag, no exceptions.

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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 06:41:07

Police arrest Frosty the Snowman, dragged him right out of the Christmas parade because Frosty made some comments about the police dogs..

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A man in a 'Frosty the Snowman' costume was arrested Saturday during the annual Christmas parade in Chestertown, on Maryland's Eastern Shore.

He's accused of scuffling with police and kicking at a police dog.

Sgt. John A. Dolgos tells The Star Democrat of Easton that 52-year-old Kevin Michael Walsh became agitated when a dog-handling officer tried to escort him away from the crowd.

Walsh told The Associated Press that he has dressed as Frosty in the parade for at least 10 years. He says he did nothing wrong and was wrongfully arrested.


He says an officer hassled him after he made a joke about the police dog's presence at the parade.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066700/Frosty-Snowman-arrested-brawling-police-Maryland-Christmas-parade.html


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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby Novus » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 17:25:00

Progress would be no waiting line in the medical office and affordable doctors.

The good ole days were before greed controlled every facet of our lives. A Christmas without gifts would be amazing and wonderful.
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 18:48:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'P')rogress would be no waiting line in the medical office and affordable doctors.

The good ole days were before greed controlled every facet of our lives. A Christmas without gifts would be amazing and wonderful.


No waiting lines? haha - what do you think happens with socialist healthcare?
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby Novus » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 20:02:00

The waiting lines to see a Doctor is case artificial scarcity. The AMA restricts the total number of schools and students who can become doctors. Although the number of students applying to be doctors is increasing the number actually allowed to go on to medical schools has been flat for a decade. Do a little research next time before you blame waiting lines on socialism.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Oneaboveall » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 20:32:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '.')..Also part of the problem is the country has a bad case of the Bystander effect. Out of 100+ people standing around nobody had the balls to stand up to that pig with a badge. Nobody said hey take those hand cuffs off this man needs an ambulance. We are just talking basic human dignity here. Our society is completely and utterly morally bankrupt at this point.

I've been saying that for awhile; When someone stands up, no one else stands with them. As a matter of fact, the people who should be standing up with you are the first to shout you down and tell you to be quiet.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Fishman » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 21:24:59

Are we talking about the same Black Friday? One cop goes over the line in a mass of insanity. People crushed people on this day for a few dollars, people pepper sprayed folks to get farther ahead in line, and dozens of other insanity. Thieves robbed people in parking lots, and you focus on ONE cop. Get a little perspective. This case should be evaluated thoroughly but I certainly would have hated to be a cop on duty Black Friday.
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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby Pops » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 21:52:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'H')ow do you "never place yourself" in this kind of situation? Police everywhere have been militarized -- from the college campus to Walmart. So how can you avoid the police state, when the police state is everywhere?

My DW now has a pug lap dog (in addition to her old grey lap dog) and the little pisser locked her out of the truck the other day at the Quik Sak in our little town. Sarah the clerk called Fisher the deputy sheriff who came out and spent 20 minutes jimmying the door.

The moral is, if you don't like the MPs, get out of the war zone.

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Re: Black Friday: police beat grandfather in front of childr

Postby dinopello » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 22:14:41

We'd have more good samaritans if they get treats from the cops like they do around here.

Seriously, though it seems like there wasn't much problems this year. Out of a nation of 300 million where not one extreme event in any corner goes unnoticed, this is very scant.
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Re: Black Friday reveals poor human nature

Postby Heineken » Mon 28 Nov 2011, 23:10:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('beamofthewave', 'T')he only things I am buying are already used things from estate sales. There is enough stuff on the planet already, no need to buy new stuff at all.


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