[evilgenius]

I think it is probably time to examine this in a broader context, that of the development of civilization. Taken on a broad view civilization has been about organizing nature, including human thought and perception. This organizing force has been directed variously over the centuries. Some claim that it began at the behest of individuals, some that it began with the formation of the first social groups. Regardless of the origin, since about the time of the formation of the English parliament it has been drawn inexorably, in a gradually iteratively developmental way, toward democracy. It has gone through some dynamic and explosive changes,the French revolution, as well as careful legal progression, Bretton Woods. Along the way a characteristic has been that even if a consensus could see a better way, that way was beyond it until the organization necessary to iterate into that vision could commensurately exist.

Human history is littered with false starts and failed social experiments proscribed in an attempt to usher in some vision that was too far behind the developmental curve of civilization, ill informed or clutching to yesterday's vision of the purpose of civilization. Finally we are on the threshold of realizing that this thing we are part of exists actually for each of us. We are its purpose. The vision of how corporate man should be organized in relation to both societal and political man is becoming clearer, even if only because for the first time since Marxists and Capitalists argued the point in the 20th Century it has come back onto the table. It comes back, however, in a context informed by the iterations that have taken place since the evident failure of Communism and the near but less-than-evident failure of Capitalism. We argue this time not only in this space, but in that of another thread which has been unwinding throughout history and demands to come to the surface at this time as well - that of the place of the elite in governance and premature. We are losing our previous need to genuflect before the elite. We are losing it because in this current iteration we, the democratic bulk of us, may be able to take up those duties that previously we have always fumbled and quickly handed over to the elite.

The winner take all version of democracy that corporate organization has always held is at issue. It has been since the idea of the 'Stake Holder' became socially acceptable in polite conversation. Somewhere in the mix we have so far failed to see that money, what a share can represent, is not entirely like a man. It can be a portion of a person. One person's pool of shares replete with that person's result of whatever equations of desired return can mix with another person's, with a different number of held shares. The answer is a composite, not an individual's imprint. Corporate democracy does not have to be winner take all. From Newscorp to Oracle to Hewlett Packard and Yahoo this argument is being contended right now!

Likewise, in Britain and France and Belgium and Greece and Italy and all throughout the agitated Arab world, etc....the rule of an elite class of people, the establishment, is being increasingly called into question. Even as the people who make up the establishment are managing to get sucked into the vast set that is the norm of the bulk of us to an extent never seen before their very ability to replicate themselves is also losing ground. Certainly they still hold the upper ground, but more and more the realization that the rest of us are not 'rabble' to please or cajole so that we don't riot or revolt is gaining. We are not just emotion. We are reason and decision and it is our decisions that rapidly comprise what it means to organize along principles of society and civilization.

What do you think?

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '.')..What do you think?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '.')..What do you think?

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'O')TOH, the "privileged" minority you cite pays a huge percentage of the taxes and produces a huge percentage of the wealth, so they are actually taking care of the rest of us -- but let's always completely ignore anything to do with reality, as long as it suits our political purposes.

[Serial_Worrier]

For me the funniest part was when Occupy Oakland got their asses kicked by PO-lice.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'F')or me the funniest part was when Occupy Oakland got their asses kicked by PO-lice.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', ' ')People don't know exactly what they want, but as one friend of mine put it, they know one thing: F*** THIS S***! We want something different: a different life, with different values, or at least a chance at different values...

[Revi]

The golden rule. The people with the gold make the rules. I think the OWS people are awesome. They are the new bonus army. We need to remake this stupid system. This OWS protest could take off and turn into a groundswell. Or it could be brutally supressed like in Syria. Either way it doesn't really go away.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', ' ') This OWS protest could take off and turn into a groundswell. Or it could be brutally supressed like in Syria. Either way it doesn't really go away.