[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'P')ass sensible reform and you will get massive support,

[Pops]

I think this (from the left wing media) is the bottom line:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')But there’s another way to look at last night’s results, especially when you add the surprising defeat of that anti-abortion/”personhood” amendment in Mississippi, the likely recall of anti-illegal-immigration Arizona state Senate President Russell Pearce (R), the two Ohio ballot measures, and the rejection of a Maine law ending same-day voter registration: Voters punished elected officials for going too far. They might not be happy with public-sector unions, but they don't support taking away their collective-bargaining rights (especially for first-responders). They might be against abortion in Mississippi, but don’t want to potentially outlaw things like birth control. They might be troubled by illegal immigration, but they don’t want their elected officials to look like they are targeting a specific community. They might believe government should do something about health care, but they don't want to be forced to buy insurance. And they might be concerned about the idea of voter fraud, but they don't want to lose rights they had. Politicians may be pushing absolutes, but voters are sending a different message.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') think this (from the left wing media) is the bottom line:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')But there’s another way to look at last night’s results, especially when you add the surprising defeat of that anti-abortion/”personhood” amendment in Mississippi, the likely recall of anti-illegal-immigration Arizona state Senate President Russell Pearce (R), the two Ohio ballot measures, and the rejection of a Maine law ending same-day voter registration: Voters punished elected officials for going too far. They might not be happy with public-sector unions, but they don't support taking away their collective-bargaining rights (especially for first-responders). They might be against abortion in Mississippi, but don’t want to potentially outlaw things like birth control. They might be troubled by illegal immigration, but they don’t want their elected officials to look like they are targeting a specific community. They might believe government should do something about health care, but they don't want to be forced to buy insurance. And they might be concerned about the idea of voter fraud, but they don't want to lose rights they had. Politicians may be pushing absolutes, but voters are sending a different message.

[Loki]

The Russell Pearce recall seems to have been driven primarily by the Mormon church (his district is strongly Mormon). Pearce, a Mormon, was replaced by another conservative Republican Mormon, but one who toes the church's line on immigration.

I heard on NPR last night that the Mormon church has more Spanish-speaking members than English-speaking members, so it's clear why they wouldn't be too keen on enforcing the nation's immigration laws. Think of the dip in Sunday contributions!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The Mormon church clearly percolated below the surface to make sure that its members knew that Russell Pearce was making their missionary efforts in Central and South America more difficult,” said Nathan Sproul, Republican strategist

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... _blog.html

See also http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... -race.html

[Fishman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') I don't think the Ohio issue was ever about finances, republicans have wanted to be rid of unions for years and that adgenda seems to dwarf every other issue for them

[Pops]

Come on, the GOP acted to eliminate workers' right to strike or collectively bargain on anything but wages. Wave your hands all you want but that is the reality.

If the budget is out of control then elect someone to negotiate it, don't outlaw negotiating.

Which is precisely why it was defeated.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')f the budget is out of control then elect someone to negotiate it, don't outlaw negotiating.

[Pops]

I understand, but why not? They the government negotiator (or their boss) is evaluated every 2 or 4 years, if they aren't doing their jobs then they should be fired.

I'm not even sure the administrations were doing a bad a job. Many - most - private, for profit companies overestimated their own viability and promised too much to their employees as well. But in the case of government, instead of the company restructuring and everyone taking a hit, the employees alone were not only expected to take the financial loss but also deprived of their rights to negotiate.

That is the thing that rankles, not just that promises were broken but because we over promised so now you no longer get to negotiate.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') understand, but why not? They the government negotiator (or their boss) is evaluated every 2 or 4 years, if they aren't doing their jobs then they should be fired.

[Pops]

I guess it's not that important then.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '[')url=http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/us/politics/voters-defeat-many-gop-sponsored-measures.html]Voters Defeat Many G.O.P.-Sponsored Measures[/url]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')oters turned a skeptical eye toward conservative-backed measures across the country Tuesday, rejecting an anti-labor law in Ohio, an anti-abortion measure in Mississippi and a crackdown on voting rights in Maine.

[Fishman]

Ah for a taste again of more reality. Virginia was a stunning upset. Obama's folks had 1600 events in Virginia, but the Republicans won EVERY incumbent office they ran in. And the Democratic turnout was abysmal. So not sure how one comes up with
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') but it appears that more and more Americans WANT TO GET REPUBLICANS OUT OF THEIR LIVES

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')nd Six , even in Ohio the Obamacare mandate failed. Looks like the most consistent thing we can gather from Tuesday's election
it appears that more and more Americans WANT TO GET OBAMA OUT OF THEIR LIVES.

So that political overreach, perhaps that was what happened in 2008. Reality is a bi%*h

[Fishman]

But yet in Ohio they still voted Obamacare down. Even the union folks voting for their own interests STILL voted against Obama. At best a mixed message from Ohio, a Democratic disaster in Virginia

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'B')ut yet in Ohio they still voted Obamacare down. Even the union folks voting for their own interests STILL voted against Obama. At best a mixed message from Ohio, a Democratic disaster in Virginia

[Duende]

Sixstrings wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't care what they say, Virginia is a big government state they're doing quite well thanks to all the gov worker largesse MY taxes pay for.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '.') the Feds will keep spending and gov will keep growing, even as the rest of the country rots.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' ', '.').. in Ohio they still voted Obamacare down. Even the union folks voting for their own interests STILL voted against Obama.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')
All the deficit spending. All the huge federal bureaucracy. ....Highest salaries are now in the DC metro.. it used to be Silicon Valley.