[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Practician', '
') You can't even tell the difference between a Horse drawn Carriage and an electric car?

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The Practician', '
') You can't even tell the difference between a Horse drawn Carriage and an electric car?

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', 'S')till better than a car with no fuel at all.

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '
')The best post PO cars will be those with a surviving manufacturer.

[Shaved Monkey]

This sounds like the answer
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')arold Bate, chicken farmer and inventor from Devonshire, England, says you can power your motor vehicles with droppings from chickens, pigs or any other animal of your choice... even with your own waste! To prove his statement is no idle boast, Harold has been operating a 1953 Hillman and a five-ton truck on methane gas generated by decomposing pig and chicken manure for years. He claims that the equivalent of a gallon of high-test gasoline costs him only about 3d and that the low-cost methane makes his vehicles run faster, cleaner and better than they operate on "store bought" fuel.

[DomusAlbion]

I was researching the all electric Nissan Leaf. Even with Federal tax credits the car and its charging station would cost more than the fuel for our two ICE vehicles for 10 years. Of course that is given the current fuel costs. Our current vehicles are late model (2007 & 2010) and are fully paid for. So sometime between 6 & 10 years from now we will undoubtedly buy one all electric car and keep my Ford truck until the wheels fall off.

IMHO it's too early to go with this new technology.

[Shaved Monkey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'T')his sounds like the answer
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')arold Bate, chicken farmer and inventor from Devonshire, England, says you can power your motor vehicles with droppings from chickens, pigs or any other animal of your choice... even with your own waste! To prove his statement is no idle boast, Harold has been operating a 1953 Hillman and a five-ton truck on methane gas generated by decomposing pig and chicken manure for years. He claims that the equivalent of a gallon of high-test gasoline costs him only about 3d and that the low-cost methane makes his vehicles run faster, cleaner and better than they operate on "store bought" fuel.

[gollum]

At present prices I have to admit it doesn't matter what I drive, but should oil go up the Volt, Cruze diesel, or a Volkswagen diesel will all be good options in a less than perfect world. Should fuel become unavailable to consumers the Volt has real advantages but at a pretty substantial cost. Of course if Israel attacks Iran next year Volt owners will have bought one of the best investments available the past ten years.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'O')f course if Israel attacks Iran next year Volt owners will have bought one of the best investments available the past ten years.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'T')oo true, Gollum. It's all a calculation based on probabilities and available cash. We would rather use the money to finish our farm infrastructure and eliminate the last bit of debt we have. If a Persian Gulf War erupts we're all screwed and for us it's better to have the farm than transportation or a job.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'L')ike you my priorities are on getting debt free, home improvements, and maybe some thermal night vision next year.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'O')ooo, night vision! But the cost of anything but a 1st generation device is very expensive. If you know otherwise let us know. We're going with lights, motion sensor devices and "night vision" (read infra-red) capable cameras.

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', ' ')Of course that is given the current fuel costs.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', ' ')Of course that is given the current fuel costs.

[Ferretlover]

Where do you live again? *heehee*
I am thinking that it will most certainly, one day, reach the point where a Radio Flyer wagon will be considered a luxury!

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bruce_S', '
')Does your calculation change if, say, suddenly there was gasoline rationing next week? This deep into a post peak world it seems bit reasonable to figure that kind of scenario into your economic calculations as well.

[Revi]

Here's the perfect peak oil car. We built it. It goes about 30 miles on a charge, and if you run out of juice you can park it in the sun and it will recharge. You can drive it for a penny a mile and recharge it on a regular 110 plug. We have driven it and other cars for about 4 years now. It only costs about $200 a year for insurance and the 4000 miles we've driven has cost us $40.00 in electricity. Check it out at sunnev.com

[Bruce_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'H')ere's the perfect peak oil car. We built it. It goes about 30 miles on a charge, and if you run out of juice you can park it in the sun and it will recharge. You can drive it for a penny a mile and recharge it on a regular 110 plug. We have driven it and other cars for about 4 years now. It only costs about $200 a year for insurance and the 4000 miles we've driven has cost us $40.00 in electricity. Check it out at sunnev.com