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')Ebyss, you stated that the UN "isn't starting wars left, right and centre". Well... not that I condon the actions of the US, but if the UN does not serve as an outlet to defuse hostilities then it has failed and is just as guilty as the attacking country in my opinion.
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by Ebyss » Sat 28 May 2005, 22:08:42
I don't know if it is just as guilty. Trying and failing to prevent a murder doesn't make you guilty of the actual crime. Standing by and doing nothing at all implicates you for sure.
I don't particularly have a love of the UN, but I'd rather have them than the US government trying to run the world. The American government is a sham plain and simple, they broke the most basic rules of democracy when they tampered with the voting system.
Dancing on the flag of the UN because they didn't support the war in Iraq smacks of arrogance and bully tactics. What could the UN do? They said the war was illegal, they vocally opposed it.. and still the U.S. went in to get their oil... meh.. it's so easy and hypocritical to blame others. It's not like the U.S. is this wonderful utopia where everyone is equal, no-one goes hungry and we all live happily ever after. It's as shitty as any other country (including mine), but the rest of us don't go pushing our big fat ass in everyone else's faces saying "you should live like us... come on, it's great when you do things our way (read: You better do it our way bitch, or I'm gonna crush you like a bug, and I don't care what you think)".
Jack, good post. I agree with some of what you said, but I think our fundamentals, our sensibilities, lie far enough apart along the spectrum as to make us disagree about the basic tenets of this argument. I still hold that this "abundant" and inherently wasteful society (in which I play a part) is a big part of the "cause", along with overpopulation (which, for me, is the biggest cause). I don't deny the ravenous predator that lies within, in fact I positively embrace it, but I don't lose my morals and ethics while doing so... at least, I'd like to think I don't
We're all guilty, we're all imperfect, but it's nobody else's fault. Ultimately, our actions are our own responsibility... placing the blame elsewhere is futile at best.We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.
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I am only one. I can only do what one can do. But what one can do, I will do. -- John Seymour.
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by The_Virginian » Sun 29 May 2005, 04:36:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't particularly have a love of the UN, but I'd rather have them than the US government trying to run the world. The American government is a sham plain and simple, they broke the most basic rules of democracy when they tampered with the voting system.
Scuse' the UN is based in the USA?
Who funds it? under what influence is it?
Is it not just the arm of "plausible deniability"?
Good cop -bad cop?
Evil twin brother syndrome?
A psy-op on the world?
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by Chocky » Tue 31 May 2005, 09:11:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is very little freedom left in America
Whaaaat... compared to Ireland? Jack, that outrageous statement can only be rebutted with a pic of your M-60
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat could the UN do? They said the war was illegal, they vocally opposed it.. and still the U.S. went in to get their oil... meh.. it's so easy and hypocritical to blame others.
There you go, might makes right in action once again. As usual the UN proved that it was incapable of effective action. Most memorable Kofi Anan quote: 'We lament the state of the world' Yep, that's about all the UN is good for, security wise anyway.
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