[savethehumans]

Aw, c'mon! What's a little torture between friends?:
Gonzales Defends Transfer of Detainees By R. Jeffrey Smith, The Washington Post, Tuesday 08 March 2005:

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales yesterday defended the practice of "extraordinary rendition," the process under which the United States sometimes transfers detainees in the war on terrorism to other nations where they may undergo harsh interrogation, trial or imprisonment.

The government has not said how many detainees have been transferred and has not articulated the precise legal basis for the practice, but the persistence of such transfers has been demonstrated by frequent flights of a plane the intelligence community uses to transport the prisoners.

U.S. officials have privately described the threat of rendition as a powerful tool in prying loose information from suspects who fear torture by foreign countries. But Gonzales, speaking to reporters at the Justice Department yesterday, said that U.S. policy is not to send detainees "to countries where we believe or we know that they're going to be tortured."

That represents a slight modification of his congressional testimony in January that renditions would not be made to countries where it is "more likely than not" they will be tortured. Gonzales added yesterday that if a country has a history of torture, Washington seeks additional assurances that it will not be used against the transferred detainee.

At the same time, he said, the administration "can't fully control" what other nations do, according to accounts of his remarks by wire services. He added that he does not know whether countries have always complied with their promises.

Gonzales, who was sworn in on Feb. 14, also said he is awaiting a report by subordinates on the issue of detainee abuse by U.S. personnel and did not wish to comment on allegations of CIA involvement in detainee abuse.

He also reiterated a statement he made during his January confirmation hearings that e-mailed reports by FBI field agents of abuse of detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were "totally inconsistent" with what he saw during a visit there.

[Geology_Guy]

Why do a lot of people including Arabs around the world hate Americans?-because we prop up their undemocratic authoritarian governments which torture their own people.

I don't think we do this out of spite-we did it for oil, alliances againt communism etc. Small comfort though for those who suffer under these governments. At least now the Kurds and the Iraq Shia can rule themselves, maybe one day the Egyptians etc.

Live free or die!

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do a lot of people including Arabs around the world hate Americans?-because we prop up their undemocratic authoritarian governments which torture their own people.

[OilsNotWell]

New article by a former asst secty of the Treasury; the story won't die, because murder has no statue of limitations.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The FBI, the Torture and Murder of Kenneth Trentadue and Advanced Knowledge of the Oklahoma City Bombing Uncovering a DOJ Coverup By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

In 1995 Kenneth Trentadue was murdered by federal agents in a federal prison in Oklahoma City. A coverup immediately went into effect. Federal authorities claimed Trentadue, who was being held in a suicide-proof cell, had committed suicide by hanging himself, but the state coroner would not buy the story.Counter Punch

[k_semler]

Is this some sick joke? Because if it is real...

[OilsNotWell]

Which part?

[k_semler]

"No," he answered me. "I'm going back because I've seen this before." He then commenced to explain that when he was a kid, he watched with his family in fear as Hitler's government committed atrocity after atrocity, and no one was willing to say anything. He said the news refused to question the government, and the ones who did were not in the newspaper business much longer. He said good neighbors, people he had known all his life, turned against his family and other Jews, grabbing on to the hate and superiority "as if they were starved for it" (his words).

[OilsNotWell]

That was posted on Rense from a site called "www.justicefornone.com"

And the that piece was posted as follows:

Monday, May 02 2005 @ 08:43 PM PDT
Contributed by: admin
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One of our neighbors is moving. I've been in this neighborhood for about six years now, but didn't really know them very.....

I searched google news for text keywords, no hits, but general web results gave me a few results in other sites that link back to justicefornone.com

But this link:

PravdaRu Forum

had this byline (as this rense):

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Joey Picador
Justice For None.com
5-27-5

One of our neighbors is moving. I've been in this neighborhood for about six years now, but didn't really know them very well at all - just waves and nods, mostly.

So I heard the moving van pull up this morning. When I got home this evening I happened to spy my neighbor (he's like 85 years old - I don't know exactly...

[OilsNotWell]

Connected to Freedom Press Handbills:

Freedom Press Handbills

FREEDOM PRESS HANDBILLS ● HTTP://WWW.JUSTICEFORNONE.COM/HANDBILLS

[OilsNotWell]

And this site:



JournalSpace

I'm not advocating any of these sites, mind you, just following the trail..

[k_semler]

OK, I'm now convinced that the rense.com post was just a commercial for left wing nut websites. I will now quit worrying about it. Thanks for getting me to stand down.

[OilsNotWell]

I think his name is a pen name, don't know if I'd put much stock in the story...thanks for pointing it out...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')oun 1. picador - the horseman who pricks the bull with a lance early in the bullfight to goad the bull and to make it keep its head low

[OilsNotWell]

Although the Trentadue story is still very troubling, don't you think? The surviving brother seems to have set up a trap that the DOJ walked right into...

[threadbear]

I think this is the subject of radio interview on Coast to Coast tonight. Starts at 10:00 pm Pacific Standard time.

Semler, Intellectually it seems Limbaugh is leaving you in Limbo.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') think this is the subject of radio interview on Coast to Coast tonight. Starts at 10:00 pm Pacific Standard time.

Semler, Intellectually it seems Limbaugh is leaving you in Limbo.

[threadbear]

Just a gut sense, Semler. You probably listen to the harridan Dr. Laura chew people out for being human, afterward.

[k_semler]

Me thinks you have either a direct feed of KQQQ also, or you somehow managed to tap into my walkman. What do I listen to after the Dr. Laura Show?

[threadbear]

Semler, Profiling people is really easy when they're all listening to the same things. It doesn't take a psychic savvant to figure out what you're listening to. 'Clear Channel' has taken over the radio waves and eliminated much of the competition. This is true on a business level, and also a "free market place of ideas" level. They are pro corporate, pro govt, and represent perfectly a consolidation of the two, interested in fooling you, by using the broadest stereotypes they can come up with.

Ask me any question about your world view and I can easily answer them for you. If you are confused as to what you're actually thinking, or would like a break down on what's going on in the shallow end of your part of the collective unconscious, I can fill you in there too. Piece of cake. PM me, about it, if you like.

[OilsNotWell]

Utterly shocking. Warning. For those who 'can't believe' stuff like this doesn't happen.

This happened July 2004. All five officers involved were fired, tried and convicted, and sentenced to terms of between 42 months and 72 months.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/police_t ... _2006.html

Some background info:

http://nashvillefiles.com/blog/archives/001367.html

[Schweinshaxe]

I think Matt Bracken is right. The US police is turning into Gestapo! Police officers torture a man for hours for not "cooperating" with them.

Find the K_Semmler thread in Open Discussion and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

So, which scenario is the most likely post PO? The Schwein "1984" scenario or the PO.com "zombie" scenario? Are you beginning to understand what I'm talking about when I say that collectivism is evil?