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Postby nth » Fri 27 May 2005, 16:32:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RiverRat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')’m obviously in the bottom 50 percentile because I do not have the ability to access public transit on a whim.
Relax. When oil prices rise enough public tranportation will likely become profitable in your area to.


How can public transportation become profitable when oil rises when one person needs to go to a city when the rest of the people in that area don't?

It sounds like he needs to bike to a place where more people can aggregate for a bus stop to be justified.
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Postby Triffin » Fri 27 May 2005, 17:21:12

Ethanol is not going to replace oil/gasoline. You can't grow enough of it and efficiently with current technology. But that doesn't mean Ethanol cannot be part of a solution in the future.

Corn is not a particularly efficient producer of ethanol
as has been stated by several posters .. One acre of
corn is ~ 60 gal ethanol .. Ethanol is most likely
limited to replacing MTBE as an octane enhancer .. still
a huge market ..

Biofuels as a potential replacement for fossil fuels
for transportation/space heating seems a worthy pursuit
especially since there exist several plant species capable
of much higher fuel densities per acre than does corn ..

Mustard ~ 140 gal/acre
Jatropha ~ 160 gal/acre
Palm Oil ~ 650 gal/acre

Triff ..
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Toyota

Postby PlannerBee » Wed 08 Jun 2005, 23:36:33

I don't get it. Someone explain this to me. Toyota has said it will likely, yes likely, raise prices on US imports. Apparently, Toyota is concerned that if the US automakers fail that the national sentiment and support yada, yada, yada.
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Re: Toyota

Postby ubercrap » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 00:32:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'I') don't get it. Someone explain this to me. Toyota has said it will likely, yes likely, raise prices on US imports. Apparently, Toyota is concerned that if the US automakers fail that the national sentiment and support yada, yada, yada.


It sounds like they are willing to raise prices to make their products seem less attractive so they can increase their long term prospects of being able to even sell cars at all in the United States, which throughout motoring history, has been the biggest car market. Bizarre times. I believe when Harley Davidson was in trouble in the '80's, Japanese motorcycle manufacturers tried to help them out (even offering manpower, etc..) to preserve competition in the U.S. market .
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Re: Toyota

Postby PlannerBee » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 01:03:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercrap', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'I') don't get it. Someone explain this to me. Toyota has said it will likely, yes likely, raise prices on US imports. Apparently, Toyota is concerned that if the US automakers fail that the national sentiment and support yada, yada, yada.
It sounds like they are willing to raise prices to make their products seem less attractive so they can increase their long term prospects of being able to even sell cars at all in the United States, which throughout motoring history, has been the biggest car market. Bizarre times. I believe when Harley Davidson was in trouble in the '80's, Japanese motorcycle manufacturers tried to help them out (even offering manpower, etc..) to preserve competition in the U.S. market .

Maybe I am in the minority but raising Toyota's prices by $2000 isn't going to send me to the American side. I take that back. I drive a Dodge truck but the trucks seem to be a different quality over the American made cars in terms of reliability. If I was in the market for a car I would look at Toyota and Subaru not Pontiac or GM. How much are they talking about raising those prices?
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Postby b0nez » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 06:37:53

Isn't the irony tasy.We goto Iraq to spread freedom and "free market" structure.At the same time toyota says it is going to manipulate market forces to help a dead duck survive.Great for us but doesn't that say something about how they will openly manipulate you to protect themselves.lol
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Postby WhistleWind » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 08:56:56

I think this is simple market economics. Toyota are selling cars in the US faster than they can make them so they increase prices to choke off demand, and maximise short term profits.

Maybe they see the whole US market collapsing in the medium term, so there is no point investing in ramping up production for the US, but I am probably reading too much into the move.

Here in the UK, Honda has always had quite a small quota of cars to sell. By careful advertising, they generate a larger demand than their quota, so that the car resale values hold up, and they can sell their cars at a premium price, because the buyer knows they hold value well. That way they maximise profits.
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Postby jimmydean » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 10:03:40

IMHO car wise I have yet to find a Ford, Chrysler or GM that could compare to my flawless experience of my Toyota Avalons ; owned 2 different ones since 1998.

Last GM car I took for a test drive was while shopping for a sports car (2nd car). I took a new 1996 Firebird Trans Am for a test drive and the interior was so shoddily put together the console was moving and making noise. I then opted to buy a used 1983 Porsche 911 which I drove without problems for over 3 years before I sold it for the same $ I paid :)

Quality not only in design and parts but in fit and finish needs to improve to Japanese levels before I could consider buying another north american car at this point.

OT: what the heck is Cadillac thinking with it's new line up - that square boxy design looks horrible imho.
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Postby Revi » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 10:13:20

Toyota's sales and GM's are down. They probably figure that they can sell their cars for a premium, just like GM and Ford did when everyone wanted their SUVs. I heard that SUV sales were down by 25% in May. Too bad.
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Postby jimmyz » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 13:03:28

ok i bought my first pontiac. It's a Vibe GT, but it is really a toyota matrix. The only reason i bought a pontiac b/c i could find a matrix with what i wanted.
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Postby SchroedingersCat » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 17:54:54

Toyota's are mostly made in the US, aren't they? If a GM starts going under so does the whole just-in-time infrastructure. That could lead to supply shortages and much higher costs for Toyota.
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Re: Toyota

Postby Frank » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 18:10:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercrap', 'I') believe when Harley Davidson was in trouble in the '80's, Japanese motorcycle manufacturers tried to help them out (even offering manpower, etc..) to preserve competition in the U.S. market .

I th ink what happened was the US gov't imposed tariffs on larger bikes, hence a bunch of the popular 750cc Japanese bikes were sold as 700's for several years. This in effect raised prices, helping H-D look more attractive. I guess it worked considering the companies progress since then. BTW, where was this factoid found? I haven't noticed anything about it on any my regular news sources.
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Postby Carmiac » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 21:00:49

You are right about the tariffs. I have a Honda VF700C from the tariff period, it has a 750cc engine with sleeves in the cylinders to reduce it down to 695ccs. Pretty nice bike still. I've been looking for a source for new pistons to rebuild it as a 750.
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Re: Toyota

Postby ohanian » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 22:15:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlannerBee', 'I') don't get it. Someone explain this to me. Toyota has said it will likely, yes likely, raise prices on US imports. Apparently, Toyota is concerned that if the US automakers fail that the national sentiment and support yada, yada, yada.

Simple really. In the old days, 1 toyota is equal to 1 ford. Then the consumers decide that 1 toyota is equal in qualitative value to 1.2 ford.
Toyota ask Ford to lower the price on Ford's car. Ford refuses. So Toyota has no choice but to raise the price on their car by 20%. Just repeat the above secenario six times. As I said. Simply Really.
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Re: Toyota

Postby SchroedingersCat » Thu 09 Jun 2005, 23:01:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frank', 'B')TW, where was this factoid found? I haven't noticed anything about it on any my regular news sources.

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Postby fossil_fuel » Fri 10 Jun 2005, 17:35:59

no, it's because of the weak US dollar. Toyota gets less "real money" for each car it sells compared to 5 years ago because of the exchange rate. It needs to raise it's prices in order to preserve it's profit margins. This whole "helping GM" thing is just to get it some good PR.
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Toyota to produce 500,000 hybrids in 2006

Postby DriveElectric » Tue 05 Jul 2005, 07:43:08

The only thing holding Toyota back was the lack of batteries. It appears that this issue is rapidly being resolved.

Toyota plans to double hybrid car production in 2006

Toyota reportedly plans to double hybrid car production in 2006

Last Update: 6:39 AM ET July 5, 2005

TOKYO (MarketWatch) -- Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.TO) plans to lift production of its hybrid electric and gas powered vehicles to 500,000 units in 2006, exactly double its estimated output for this year, the Asahi Shimbun reports.

The boost in output is in response to strong demand for hybrid vehicles in North America fueled by the high oil prices.

Production will be lifted for a range of hybrid models such as Prius, Harrier, and Kluger in plants both in Japan and overseas, the report said.
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Postby BiGG » Tue 05 Jul 2005, 08:55:18

Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra Hybrid (2005)

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Onboard 20-amp, 2400-watt generator
Four 120-volt (Accessory Power Outlets)
First full-size hybrid pickup truck
First hybrid pickup with MPG certified by EPA
5-13% better gas mileage than non-hybrid version
MPG Automatic (2WD) (city/hwy) 18/21 $30,345
MPG Automatic (4WD) (city/hwy) 18/21 $31,835

Ford Escape HEV (2005)

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Sport Utility Vehicle
First hybrid SUV with MPG certified by EPA
Most efficient Sport Utility Vehicle in 2005
MPG Automatic (2WD) (city/hwy) 36/31 $27,400
MPG Automatic (4WD) (city/hwy) 33/29 $29,025

Honda Accord Hybrid (2005)

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5 passenger sedan
33% better gas mileage than conventional Accord
255 horsepower
MPG Automatic (city/hwy) 29/37 $30,140

Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)

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5 passenger sedan
First hybrid version of an established car model
40% better gas mileage than conventional Civic Sedan
MPG Automatic (city/hwy) 48/47 $20,900
MPG 5-speed manual (city/hwy) 46/51 $19,900

Honda Insight (2005)

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Two Seater
First hybrid sold in the U.S. (introduced 2000 model year)
Light-weight aluminum body
Best gas mileage (manual transmission) of the three hybrids
MPG Automatic (city/hwy) 57/56 $21,530
MPG 5-speed manual (city/hwy) 61/66 $19,330

Toyota Prius (2005)

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5 passenger sedan (Midsize passenger car)
First mass-produced hybrid in the world
0-60 in 10.1 seconds
MPG Automatic (city/hwy) 60/51 $20,975


Coming Soon ........

Dodge Ram Hybrid Fullsize Pickup 2005
Lexus RX 400h Midsize SUV Spring 2005
GS 450h Midsize Car 2006
Mercury Mariner Hybrid Midsize SUV 2005
Toyota Highlander Midsize SUV Spring 2005
Camry Hybrid Midsize Car Late 2006 Model Year 2006-2008
Saturn VUE SUV 2006
Nissan Altima Hybrid Midsize Car 2006
Chevrolet Equinox SUV 2007
Chevrolet Malibu Midsize Car 2007
Chevrolet Tahoe (AHS II) SUV 2007
GMC Yukon Hybrid (AHS II) SUV 2007
Mazda Tribute Hybrid SUV 2007
Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid (AHS II) Fullsize Pickup 2008
Ford Fusion Midsize Car 2008
GMC Sierra Hybrid (AHS II) Fullsize Pickup 2008
Mercury Milan Hybrid Midsize Car 2008
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Postby 0mar » Tue 05 Jul 2005, 09:05:10

Scale.

Tomorrow, if the US stopped importing it's 12.5 mbd of oil, demand would eat this massive surplus in less than 10 years. Contemplate that for a moment.
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Postby DriveElectric » Tue 05 Jul 2005, 10:06:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'S')cale.

Tomorrow, if the US stopped importing it's 12.5 mbd of oil, demand would eat this massive surplus in less than 10 years. Contemplate that for a moment.


Do you really think this is only happening in the US? These same advances in batteries are happening globally. It is in no way limited to the US. Something that I think many of you fail to realize is the importance of electrifying the drivetrain of a car and producing it in large scale. That has never happened before. The hybrids (Prius) are just the 1st step. The next logical step is the PHEV. At that point, gasoline becomes purely optional for 90% of daily vehicle use.
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