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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby dolanbaker » Wed 28 Sep 2011, 17:09:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')The world wide financial Coup is nearly complete.

No it's not! Their "masterplan" assumes infinite growth, peak oil & other resource limitations, are a fatal flaw in those plans.
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 28 Sep 2011, 19:08:11

Didn't I read of the British Finance Minster or someone of equal stature essentially saying the same thing a few days ago?
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Wed 28 Sep 2011, 19:24:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')idn't I read of the British Finance Minster or someone of equal stature essentially saying the same thing a few days ago?


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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby eXpat » Wed 28 Sep 2011, 22:48:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he euro is “practically dead” and Europe faces a financial earthquake from a Greek default, according to Attila Szalay-Berzeviczy, global head of securities services at Italy’s biggest lender UniCredit SpA. (UCG)

“The euro is beyond rescue,” Szalay-Berzeviczy said in an opinion piece for index.hu., a Hungarian news portal, which he signed as former chairman of the Budapest Stock Exchange. “The only remaining question is how many days the hopeless rearguard action of European governments and the European Central Bank can keep up Greece’s spirits.”

The article described a “worst-case scenario,” he said in a telephone interview from Budapest today. Szalay-Berzeviczy’s “are his own personal view and do not reflect the position of the company,” Claudia Bresgen, a spokeswoman at UniCredit in Munich, Germany, said by e-mail.

A Greek default will trigger an immediate “magnitude 10” earthquake across Europe, he predicted. Holders of Greek government bonds will have to write off their entire investment, the southern European nation will stop paying salaries and pensions and automated teller machines in the country will empty “within minutes,” Szalay-Berzeviczy wrote.

The impact of a Greek default will “rapidly” spread across the continent, possibly prompting a run on the “weaker” banks of “weaker” countries, Szalay-Berzeviczy said in the article. “The panic escalating this way may sweep across Europe in a self-fulfilling fashion, leading to the breakup of the euro area.”

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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Wed 28 Sep 2011, 23:21:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he euro is “practically dead” and Europe faces a financial earthquake from a Greek default; “The euro is beyond rescue; the only remaining question is how many days the hopeless rearguard action of European governments and the European Central Bank can keep up Greece’s spirits.” ... A Greek default will trigger an immediate “magnitude 10” earthquake across Europe, he predicted. Holders of Greek government bonds will have to write off their entire investment, the southern European nation will stop paying salaries and pensions and automated teller machines in the country will empty “within minutes,” Szalay-Berzeviczy wrote.

The impact of a Greek default will “rapidly” spread across the continent, possibly prompting a run on the “weaker” banks of “weaker” countries, Szalay-Berzeviczy said in the article. “The panic escalating this way may sweep across Europe in a self-fulfilling fashion, leading to the breakup of the euro area.”


Whoa ... so much truth in just a few paragraphs ... If the MSM starts telling the truth, then there will no longer be any use for PO.com ...
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 29 Sep 2011, 06:51:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')idn't I read of the British Finance Minster or someone of equal stature essentially saying the same thing a few days ago?
Gideon Osbrone said no such thing.
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby dolanbaker » Thu 29 Sep 2011, 07:55:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he euro is “practically dead” and Europe faces a financial earthquake from a Greek default; “The euro is beyond rescue; the only remaining question is how many days the hopeless rearguard action of European governments and the European Central Bank can keep up Greece’s spirits.” ... A Greek default will trigger an immediate “magnitude 10” earthquake across Europe, he predicted. Holders of Greek government bonds will have to write off their entire investment, the southern European nation will stop paying salaries and pensions and automated teller machines in the country will empty “within minutes,” Szalay-Berzeviczy wrote.

The impact of a Greek default will “rapidly” spread across the continent, possibly prompting a run on the “weaker” banks of “weaker” countries, Szalay-Berzeviczy said in the article. “The panic escalating this way may sweep across Europe in a self-fulfilling fashion, leading to the breakup of the euro area.”


Whoa ... so much truth in just a few paragraphs ... If the MSM starts telling the truth, then there will no longer be any use for PO.com ...

No sane government is going to allow such a total collapse to happen, they may decide the Euro is a dodo but the banks will be expected to operate while "Plan B" is rolled out.
The banks would be forced to stay open to prevent total chaos!
I suspect that "Plan B" will be to overstamp Euros in each of the member states with a National stamp "Punt Éireannach" for Ireland for example and replacing currency as fast as possible.

Then after a short pause all the currencies will float on the market, no matter what, it can't end well.
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby evilgenius » Thu 29 Sep 2011, 19:16:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')idn't I read of the British Finance Minster or someone of equal stature essentially saying the same thing a few days ago?
Gideon Osbrone said no such thing.


I think it was Hague, former Conservative Party Leader.
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby dorlomin » Fri 30 Sep 2011, 09:01:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'D')idn't I read of the British Finance Minster or someone of equal stature essentially saying the same thing a few days ago?
Gideon Osbrone said no such thing.


I think it was Hague, former Conservative Party Leader.
Hague and his wing of the tories have a strong insentive to talk down the Euro. I am not saying whether he is right or wrong, just he has an agenda and is keen to sell it.
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby evilgenius » Fri 30 Sep 2011, 11:11:51

The British disgust with the euro is very interesting to me. I was listening to a BBC interview of an Estonian minister last night. He was saying that the appetite to be in the euro zone amongst those outside of it, but in the Union, is still very high. In his comments he also said that news of this is easy to find any place in Europe other than the UK. He seemed to be alluding to something important about the UK as opposed to the rest of Europe.
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Re: I dream of recession...

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Fri 30 Sep 2011, 21:23:48

I dream of global catastrophic apocalypse!
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Re: THE Recession Thread (merged)

Unread postby Ferretlover » Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:38:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]CBO chief warns of 'fiscal cliff' and potential recession
By Tom Curry, NBC News Updated at 12:40pm ET--The director of the Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, said Wednesday that currently planned sharp cuts in spending and increases in taxes at the end of the year would cause “a dramatic reduction in the federal deficit” and “a significant tightening of fiscal policy” which he would “probably lead to a recession early next year.” …
But remarkably, revenues in fiscal year 2012 will still be $133 billion less than what the federal government collected in revenue in FY2007, five years ago.
Revenues in 2007 were $2.568 trillion or 18.5 percent of GDP. In FY2012 they will be $2.435 trillion or 15.7 percent of GDP.
Much of the fall in federal revenues is “a natural consequence of the weakness of the economy,” the CBO chief said. “When incomes fall, taxes fall more than proportionately because we have a progressive tax code and people who slip down into lower tax brackets pay a smaller fraction of their income in taxes.”
But he added, “We are a little surprised by how weak tax revenues are, and we don’t know exactly what’s going on there,”* he said. …

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Re: THE Recession Thread (merged)

Unread postby Lore » Thu 23 Aug 2012, 07:40:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '*')waving arm around* " Ew, Ew, we know!"


Since the burden of taxation has been placed on a disappearing middle class, yes, it's pretty obvious.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Middle class share of America's income shrinking

WASHINGTON (AP) — The middle class is receiving less of America's total income, declining to its smallest share in decades as median wages stagnate in the economic doldrums and wealth concentrates at the top.

A study released Wednesday by the Pew Research Center highlights diminished hopes, too, for the roughly 50 percent of adults defined as middle class, with household incomes ranging from $39,000 to $118,000. The report describes this mid-tier group as suffering its "worst decade in modern history," having fallen backward in income for the first time since the end of World War II.

Three years after the recession technically ended, middle class Americans are still feeling the economic pinch, with most saying they have been forced to reduce spending in the past year. And fewer now believe that hard work will allow them to get ahead in life. Families are now more likely to say their children's economic future will be the same or worse than their own.
Middle class share of America's income shrinking.

—Declining wealth: Median net worth for the middle class fell 28 percent over the last decade, from $129,000 in 2001 to $93,000, wiping out two decades of gains. Among upper-income families, net worth edged higher from $569,000 to $574,000. Lower-income families saw net worth fall 45 percent to $10,000.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... e623c3b662


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