[Narz]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/09/07/r ... hpt=op_mid

Interesting article by Rushkoff.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')It's really right out of the Atlas Shrugged playbook. The belief that you can just legislate jobs.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')ure, some get it right, others (self included) ?????

[MD]

A thirty hour work work would be even better. Six hour shifts with one break, five days per week. The day divides nicely into 4 shifts for manufacturing and 24 hour services.

Such a change would rock the economy if it weren't implemented with great care. I'm not convinced our government is capable of caring.

[Newfie]

Perhaps merge with the 35 hour work week thread??? Similar and relevant in some ways.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'L')et me ask you this, by your estimation how many, or what percentage of American's share your belief?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'L')et me ask you this, by your estimation how many, or what percentage of American's share your belief?

[Serial_Worrier]

What bunk. Go ahead- quit your job and see how long until you're on food stamps.

[ColossalContrarian]

This is very similar to the 35hr work week thread as noted above.

Maybe as a culture/society we focus too much on having a job because it’s a change from the old “hunter gatherer” way of working together and now we have an independence where we can sustain our lifestyle on our own, so some of us view the level of complacency some have in our society and view working hard as survival of the fittest (a rather extreme example) but in our world, nature doesn’t weed out the weak. You can be sick or weak in our society and still survive and live a fine life.

The way we live and survive has had a huge paradigm shift in the past hundred years that is so significant I don’t know how we can transcend to a society that shares the way we used to. Even though sharing is at the roots our survival. It’s become automated to the point that people believe the beef at the grocery store was never alive in the first place (for those who haven’t been to a slaughterhouse, it would disgust %99 of the population who buys butchered meat).
I don’t see the top %1 wanting to share with everyone else. Imagine even if all the people in the US were told to share food to alleviate the starvation in Somalia -"Fat" pun, intended "chance"!

[Ferretlover]

No, there will always be jobs to be done; however, compensation may not be what one might expect.

Merged similar threads.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'L')et me ask you this, by your estimation how many, or what percentage of American's share your belief?

[Expatriot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'y')ou only need to understand evolution and a well-established phenomena of altruism acting through group-selection.

[Loki]

Re. the "Jobs are Obsolete" piece:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut there might still be another possibility -- something we couldn't really imagine for ourselves until the digital era. As a pioneer of virtual reality, Jaron Lanier, recently pointed out, we no longer need to make stuff in order to make money. We can instead exchange information-based products.

We start by accepting that food and shelter are basic human rights. The work we do -- the value we create -- is for the rest of what we want: the stuff that makes life fun, meaningful, and purposeful.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'R')e. the "Jobs are Obsolete" piece:

It's a moot point anyway, the underlying premise of the piece is techno-utopian. We don't have a techno-utopia in our immediate future.

[turner]

Slice and dice the jobs however you want but the simple fact is that production has been exported and there is no way in the long term any economy can keep consuming stuff that is made by another economy, unless your economy is providing something unique in abundance (eg oil) in exchange. It's simply not logical. Penalise the multinationals that offshore their production and introduce tariffs, or come up with something the rest of the world doesn't have that can keep millions employed.

[Newfie]

I read a few of Paul Farrell's commentaries over at MarketWatch. I think he is a guy who 'gets it.'

http://www.marketwatch.com/Journalists/Paul_B_Farrell

Kind of interesting that a quazi main-stream guy would be writing such stuff.

The herd stirs?????

[nobodypanic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('turner', 'S')lice and dice the jobs however you want but the simple fact is that production has been exported and there is no way in the long term any economy can keep consuming stuff that is made by another economy, unless your economy is providing something unique in abundance (eg oil) in exchange. It's simply not logical. Penalise the multinationals that offshore their production and introduce tariffs, or come up with something the rest of the world doesn't have that can keep millions employed.

[turner]

That may well be true but it doesn't make your own position any better for a long time.Better to face and deal now.