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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 16:15:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'P')reston, it's just that the Mein Kampf thing is wearing a little thin. Maybe you could work up
some new material..........or maybe even participate in the discussion. Just sayin.......

You're tired of it already noob? I've been doing this for years. A lot of people are doing it now, thanks to the Tea Party, but I was way ahead of the curve back around 2005.

The idea that brain dead race based email chains are above criticism has provided the first good guffaw of the day. Thanks!
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 16:20:15

Worse than I thought........get some new material!
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 16:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'W')orse than I thought........get some new material!
You may want to move past the 1930s.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 19:02:52

Maybe Jose's wife works as a maid for a celebrity or politician (or both) and he gets her pregnant, so life is not all rosy for Jose.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby basil_hayden » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 19:09:51

Maybe Jose is the pool guy and gets Joe's wife pregnant...touche!
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 19:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'M')aybe Jose is the pool guy and gets Joe's wife pregnant...touche!

Joe doesn't make enough after taxes for a pool... touche! :P
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 19:43:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'M')aybe Jose is the pool guy and gets Joe's wife pregnant...touche!

Either way, that baby would be a US citizen and the baby would be eligible to run for president at age 35.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 19:50:10

I've never gotten a liberal to explain how moving people with a high birthrate from a low energy consuming country (Mexico or Guatemala) to a high energy consuming country (US) helps the environment and global warming and improves wages for lower class workers.

I've also never gotten conservatives to explain how looking the other way while corporations hire illegals over legals makes sense while at the same time looking for funds to build a wall between the US and Mexico. Maybe if we had less unemployment there would be funds for a wall, but we wouldn't need a wall if the US didn't hire illegals.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 22:29:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here are plenty of people who would like to drop off the grid and hide in plain sight to dodge child support payments and such. So why not just ditch their ID, pose as an illegal (no documents required !), and hop on that illegal alien gravy train of cradle-to-grave benefits? :lol:

I especially like that last line about police and fire protection - clearly we need to bust those unions in order to inconvenience the illegals.



Hey dude, you hang around DC area don't you? There are some neat construction projects in Alexandria, go check'em out. All workers are illegals, some have work permits though ( Salvadorians and those who say they are Salvadorians, it's so bad there they can't be sent back, you know). Go there and ask for a job. Legal or en negro, whatever. You can ask for it in perfect Spanish if you'd like. Come back and tell us how did it go.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 22:37:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'T')he liberal media would never allow it.


Well, stop watching/reading/listening to it. Or, even better, do watch it and make notes of advertisements, and avoid using advertised goods and services, and let 'em know why. Make a group, rinse and repeat. Simple really. The liberal media has power only because you and other yokels care about it, that's all. Besides, all media has it's own agenda, liberal or no liberal.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 22:40:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')'ve never gotten a liberal to explain how moving people with a high birthrate from a low energy consuming country (Mexico or Guatemala) to a high energy consuming country (US) helps the environment and global warming and improves wages for lower class workers.

The liberals are more concerned about discrimination. They don't want the entire third world to move to USA. They just want those immigrants who are already there to be treated humanely.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')'ve also never gotten conservatives to explain how looking the other way while corporations hire illegals over legals makes sense

Sure it does. http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3271/illegal_immigrants_uncle_sam_wants_you/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Illegal Immigrants: Uncle Sam Wants You

Latino teenagers, including illegal immigrants are being recruited into the military with false promises. In 1996, Jesus Alberto Suarez del Solar was a 13-year-old boy, up from Tijuana on a family shopping trip, when he stopped at a Marine Corps recruiting table at an open-air mall in Chula Vista, Calif.

Jesus had been an easy mark for the recruiter—a boy who fantasized that by joining the powerful, heroic U.S. Marines, he could help his own country fight drug lords. He gave the recruiter his address and phone number in Mexico, and the recruiter called him twice a week for the next two years, until he had talked Jesus into convincing his parents to move to California. Fernando and Rose Suarez sold their home and their laundry business and immigrated with their children to Escondido, where Jesus enrolled at a high school known for academic achievement. But the recruiter wanted him to transfer to a school for problem teenagers, since its requirements for graduation were lower and Jesus would be able to finish sooner. He was 17 and a half when he graduated from that school, still too young to enlist on his own, so his father co-signed the enlistment form, as the military requires for underage recruits.

Three years later, at the age of 20, his body was torn apart in Iraq by an American-made fragmentation grenade during the first week of the invasion. In the Pentagon’s official Iraq casualty database, his death is number 74.

You see. First their cheap illegal labor subsidizes the american goods. They save you the money you need to run the big wars in the middle east. Then the same illegal kids are recruited by the US military to die in those wars. And the conservatives don't have to pay their families the same benefits that an american veteran's family will get if he dies.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 22:45:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he reason he's paid under the table is so the employer can save money.

Enforce existing laws prohibiting "under the table" employment and you solve the "problem".


And how peeker1 is going to do that? But you are right of course-- good luck finding a job in Germany without an ausweis, may be some apple picking for a few weeks in the summer, if some farmer feels very adventurous.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 23:06:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', ' ') Something about Jesus....
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And the conservatives don't have to pay their families the same benefits that an american veteran's family will get if he dies.



1) If his death is number 74, it wouldn't be too hard to find out how much exactly his family was paid. I do not see any numbers in that article . Why?
2) It's not worth the time for a recruiter to go through all that trouble. So, sounds like a bullshit to me.
3) You can't just sell laundry business and a home in Tijuana and move to Cali, sorry. Illegally, sure. But then you would be at 0 interest for a recruiter.

Personal opinion---> nothing is better in war than an alien cannon fodder. Actually it was a mistake to send any troops to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place. Instead they could have asked Fedex to set up a shop there , and pay $500 per each Iraqian or Afgani head to whomever ships it to USA ( free shipping of course). For just $15 billion, both countries won't have any males left whatsoever. And their populations grew by millions since US's invasion, so it would have been cheaper originally.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby papa moose » Mon 12 Sep 2011, 23:26:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'P')ersonal opinion---> nothing is better in war than an alien cannon fodder. Actually it was a mistake to send any troops to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place. Instead they could have asked Fedex to set up a shop there , and pay $500 per each Iraqian or Afgani head to whomever ships it to USA ( free shipping of course). For just $15 billion, both countries won't have any males left whatsoever. And their populations grew by millions since US's invasion, so it would have been cheaper originally.


An interesting proposal.
Would Fedex hire locally or send someone over from the states (ie: exporting more jobs to Asia)?
How would you verify nationality of each head? Would the cash be paid on reciept of the head at Fedex or would the "supplier" be expected to await arrival of the goods stateside before payment was made?
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 13 Sep 2011, 01:45:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'A')n interesting proposal. Would Fedex hire locally or send someone over from the states (ie: exporting more jobs to Asia)?
How would you verify nationality of each head? Would the cash be paid on reciept of the head at Fedex or would the "supplier" be expected to await arrival of the goods stateside before payment was made?

The shop doesn't have to be big so jobs aren't an issue. As for nationality, any arab-looking head will be assumed to be good enough for a payment ( cash, on spot). There is no shortage of people in these countries so trying to pass Turkish or Egyptian heads won't make much sense as between smuggling and killing it will be cost-prohibitive. The best place for the shop would be somewhere on the border with Iraq/Afghanistan, so the authorities of these countries themselves would do this as a part-time job ( before someone harvests them of course).
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby papa moose » Tue 13 Sep 2011, 22:01:14

Why stop with the Iraq/Afghanistan border? (actually i don't think they have a border but cant be bothered googling it)

Why rely on eductaion or improving living conditions or basic commonsense to solve the worlds biggest problem?
Overshoot
Why not harness the worlds most powerful force to over come overshoot - Capitalism!

Expand your original offer to $500 for anyone's head and set up temporary Fedex offices all over the world!

I've done some rough calcs and determined within two years we can drop the worlds population down to 2.5Billion, which many would accept as a supportable population for Earth, for a total cost of approximately just $3T!

Some assumptions and stats to start with:
a) Fedex moves about 7million packages a day
aa) Fedex will open new offices and make all deliveries for free dedicating their entire fleet to the job, just cos they are nice that way.
b) current world pop is a smidge under 7billion
c) participation rate of 38% ( based on voter turn out in 2010 US fed election, no one got paid $500 to vote! ... did they?)

Okay so throw those numbers into a bowl and mix:
If 38% of the population are sufficiently motivated to lop someone else's head off for $500 (or 19% to lop off two heads) that reduces the world population by about 2.5billion. At 7million deliveries a day it will take Fedex just over a year to get all these heads to your house and cost $1.3T in bounties.
Repeating the offer the following year but boosting the bounty to $1,000 to ensure the participation rate stays up at 38% results in a further 1.7billion heads being delivered to your house for $1.7trillion.

The numbers are a bit rough but the idea has merit (i'm just not sure what your neighbours will think of the smell)
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 14 Sep 2011, 15:37:19

Well if you go that way, I don't think anyone needs to ship heads anywhere, they could hold or dispose of heads on the spot. On the other hand, who will be paying these 3 T ? G-20? USA? Also price could go as low as $50 in many parts of Africa I think, and if some serious country would take it seriously, it could be done way cheaper with a few nuclear explosions and a naval blockade , it would also save a lot of head scratching to the average Joe or Jose.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby papa moose » Wed 14 Sep 2011, 21:45:17

Mate,
What is wrong with you, you can't use nukes they are very environmentally unfriendly!
As for a naval blockade have you seen the price of oil lately?
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby turner » Thu 15 Sep 2011, 04:32:46

When you come from a poor country there are no rules. Jose is just doing what Joe will be doing in a few years time - taking advantage of whatever is available to make life better for yourself and your family.
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Re: joe vs jose

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 15 Sep 2011, 05:58:34

We ARE already a banana republic: we send dads to jail for nonpayment of child support when they can't find employment through no fault of their own.
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