[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', ' ')I remember the local news caster telling people to stay away from the St Louis Arch and thinking 'they aren't going to attack the arch !'.
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[Carlhole]

I had my first 911 argument with my best friend (at the time) on the afternoon of the collapses because I didn't believe that buildings could collapse that way. I had seen the first news about WTC7 and decided right then and there that some sort of big bullshit trip was on.

I lost that friend.

[gollum]

I had worked a swing shift the night before and was sleeping, my wife woke me up and told me the world trade center had been blown up and was gone. I thought someone had set off one of those suitcase nukes until I got downstairs and watched the news.

[Expatriot]

I was sitting in my office a few blocks from the White House. Wife called. Said plane hit the towers. I said it must be an intentional attack. Colleague says, "no way." I say yes way, no pilot in broad daylight would ever get close. Go up to top floor and watch TV with many others. See 2nd plane hit. Go up on roof a bit later and see smoke from Pentagon.

More importantly, it was 2005 before I first started to doubt the official story.

[Cog]

In due time.

[Cog]

I was in a cornfield doing a topographic survey for a proposed bike path. It was fucking hot in there and of course the survey had to be done before the corn was harvested(stupid engineers). So I'm using a 12 foot rod to get above the corn so my instrument-man could shoot my prism pole from out by the road.

I get this call from him on our hand held radios that a plane had run into one of the Twin Towers. He had the truck radio on listening to music while we worked. At the time, I figured this was probably an accident. I was out of the cornfield in another 20 minutes or so and I observed another one of our survey crews parked next to our truck. Upon arriving back at the truck the other survey chief informed me that a second tower had been hit. I said "That really isn't funny so quit screwing around".

After listening to the radio though I realized that we were being attacked. We sat there a while listening to the drama unfold. My boss called me and then informed me what was going on. A few hours later there were Air Force jets doing circles around St Louis.

I remember thinking that day that I wanted to get as far away from a major city as I could.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')n due time.

[Hoops_Mckann]

I remember that day. I was very ill with a bad case of strep throat for 3 of the days preceding. I had retreated to my parents home from my house near the college (with a few roommates) for some R&R. I awoke that morning feeling much better and taking note of the beautiful weather outside. I was eating bowl of cereal at around 10:30 cdt while all alone in the house when the phone rang. It was my aunt from Riverside, CA. Before I could say hello she informed me of more or less what had happened. I didn’t believe her as it sounded like a bad screenplay out of a lame action movie. Once I turned the TV on my perspective on many aspects of the world were changed and have never been the same since. That day along with Hurricane Katrina are the only times I have ever wept hearing about a news story on the national news that didn't directly involve me or anyone I knew.

I found it sobering that our military dropped the ball big time that day. I know many patriotic people on here would disagree but the military did not succeed in "protecting the homeland" contrary to the propaganda that is and has been constantly portrayed by our government. It was ordinary people that saved ordinary people. Our military F&#ked up and did not deliver the promise and propaganda that is constantly shoved down out throats day in and day out. I read a recent article on msnbc where the fighter jet pilots contemplated "ramming" the airliner (flight 93) due to the absence of weaponry on board. Really? We are the most militarized nation in the world and we lacked live weaponry on board our own fighter jets?

I remember the blind patriotism that followed and how I seemed to get “caught in the fever” before realizing that maybe we should look at why this happened. I then realized that america is not the most “free” nation on earth and I seriously doubt that “they” hate us for just our freedom. I realized that it was likely far deeper than that.

I don’t condone the events that day but have suspicions that it was planned or was a result of “the chicken that came home to roost”. It was still terrible and tragic. I cannot think of a more perfect way to get the populace banging the war drums to go to war with anyone remotely associated that region of the world and I predicted that a consequence would be many years of war in the region.

Sorry but "shock and awe" did not make me feel proud be an american nor did I feel any safer when we invaded iraq, ect.

Contrary to many fellow amerikans, I am more concerned with the next car that runs a stop sign, stray blood clot, errant motorist, hurricane or tornado than the boogie men out there.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')n due time.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '<')/div>What would you debate if not the "superficial" issues that are discussed here? What are the real problems that confront us?

[AgentR11]

Why not just make a web page, write a conversational, reasonably sized post here, and link to the web page.

Not that it would make that anti-Israeli piece of agitprop any more believable, but at least it'd have a higher probability of being read.

That said, I like Israel much more than I like England and France, and we sacrificed the lives of several hundred thousand Americans for their freedom and independence. And I'm sure you could find nazi-sympathizer bs written at the time to rag on them, and blame them for everything and every failing under the sun as well.

[Fishman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hus vulnerable to domestic terrorism from right-wing christian extremists who hate women, freedom, commies, fags, artists, socialists, liberals, gays, intellectuals, government workers, unionists, artists, city people, blacks, puerto ricans, mexicans, and the french