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Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

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Re: Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

Unread postby papa moose » Thu 01 Sep 2011, 00:18:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'T')rack and tunnel maintenance will be prohibitive at best. I'm very skeptical to say the least. Especially when measured against the cost of shipping via container vessel.


I don't know, there's something especially efficient about rail transport. We're all sort of talking out our back side's here though, someone would have to dig into the numbers on the Chunnel.. my hunch is that a lot more traffic goes through the chunnel at a lower transit cost than what was shipped by boat before.

Trains are just so cost efficient.. you already have goods being transferred from container ship to train at the ports, so cut out the container ship middle man and that has to be more efficient.

Also trains are a lot faster than boats.


Trains may be faster but they only go from A to B. Ships can go from A to C and if no work is available will happily sail of to D.
Numbers for the Chunnel might be interesting but would not reflect very closely on a Bering Tunnel, i made a comment yesterday (maybe in anoither thread) about this being a rail line from Nowheresville to Nowhereski.
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Re: Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 01 Sep 2011, 00:44:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', '.').i made a comment yesterday (maybe in anoither thread) about this being a rail line from Nowheresville to Nowhereski.


Well you're right about that.. it's been a long time since Russia settled Siberia and Alaska yet both are still huge and mostly empty. But I wonder about the pipeline.. if a tar sands pipeline from Canada to Texas makes sense, then maybe linking Europe / Russia with North America makes sense too.

Anyhow we need more info on this story.. it's odd, only one mainstream Brit paper article on it then nothing.. everyone else is bouncing off the original source. Where is a report from Russian media, I wonder.
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Re: Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

Unread postby radon » Thu 01 Sep 2011, 00:56:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')Where is a report from Russian media, I wonder.


There is a story in English from the last year:

http://en.rian.ru/world/20101014/160948877.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussia's last emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, was the first Russian leader to approve a plan for a tunnel under the Bering Strait in 1905, 38 years after his grandfather sold Alaska to the United States. The project was stalled with the beginning of World War I.


and in Russian from May this year:

http://ria.ru/analytics/20110504/370890700.html

No English translation on the website, hopefully, an online translator will do the trick.

Apparently, a story-in-progress but for whatever reason the British paper picked it up now.
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Re: Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 00:13:21

No one lives in Alaska. No one lives in Siberia.

And it's WAY cheaper to ship a container from Shanghai to LA than it would be to drive a truck from Shanghai to LA through this silly tunnel.

Don't build a $65 billion tunnel, found another dozen MITs to churn out enough engineers to solve all of our energy issues.

This tunnel will never be built.
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Re: Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

Unread postby radon » Sat 03 Sep 2011, 06:45:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '[')b]No one lives in Alaska. No one lives in Siberia.

And it's WAY cheaper to ship a container from Shanghai to LA than it would be to drive a truck from Shanghai to LA through this silly tunnel.


Good point, but strangely you seem to be assigning more weight to the toys from Shanghai than to oil/gas/timber/nickel/gold/... from Siberia.

The current population patterns are indeed relevant, but they are by far not the single deciding factor of an infrastructure project's viability. Probably only 20% or less of the Russian population lives in Siberia yet the region produces around a half or so of the Russian GDP (cannot dig the exact numbers unfortunately as a bit short on time).

Siberia and Arctics is one of the last of the under-explored/developed regions. If you are genuinely concerned about mitigation of energy issues than one way to deal with it is to build a common economic/security space around the Northern part of the globe and for Europe and the US to work with Russia on developing Siberia's potential. This could also help relieve the European population pressures if those came to the shore. This really should have already been done 20 years ago when the Soviet Union went offline. But not too late yet.
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Re: Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 03 Sep 2011, 13:40:25

Great idea for a rail line.
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