[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', ' ') Less than 1% of this nation's power is generated with oil, so find a different crash scenario.

[vision-master]

Oh, I've witnesssed the 'dream' and it won't be pretty. All those computer jockeys will be dead within a few Months.

[vision-master]

NASA - Space Storm Tracked from Sun to Earth

[VZR1800]

I recommend you read ONE SECOND AFTER, by WIlliam R. Forstchen. It is about what becomes of the great United States after a rogue nation (North Korea, Iran?) sets off a nuclear device in outer space over central Kansas. The result is an EMP strike that completely obliterates the entire power grid of the whole U.S. for several years. No electricity, no running water, no flushing toilets, no trucks delivering supplies to your local market. Any food you have in a freezer will rot in days, and oh btw, your backup generator is not nuclear hardened, so it too will cease to function.

One second after, all vehicles cease to run, aircraft relying on fly-by-wire technology (basically all of the airliners) fall out of the sky when there controls cease to function. Anyone relying on some machine (pacemaker, dialysis, etc) will be dead in a matter of days. Same said for anyone relying on medication to keep them alive.

You think if a situation like this happened, it would be wise to fire up the barbecue and cook some red meat? Every hungry person within the range of smelling it will be breaking down your door. I honestly don't think one could have enough ammunition should something like this occur.

One Second After was cited on the floor of the Congress as a book all Americans should read. It has been discussed in the corridors of the pentagon as an accurate look at EMPs and their awesome ability to send the United States back in time 150 years.

Sure its far-fetched, but all it takes is one small nuclear missile over Kansas, and we are back in the cowboy days. It would not be pretty, that is for sure. Might want to obtain a copy of this book and give it a read.

http://www.onesecondafter.com/

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VZR1800', 'Y')ou think if a situation like this happened, it would be wise to fire up the barbecue and cook some red meat? Every hungry person within the range of smelling it will be breaking down your door. I honestly don't think one could have enough ammunition should something like this occur.

[Timo]

If there's a nuclear blast over Kansas, i'll go join Pops in Missouri. Besides, i hear the "rogues" only have the ability to send nuclear missiles into space that emit gamma radiation, so in the worst case, we'll all become Incredible Hulks. No biggie. I'll just power the batteries with my tread mill.

[VZR1800]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'I')f there's a nuclear blast over Kansas, i'll go join Pops in Missouri. Besides, i hear the "rogues" only have the ability to send nuclear missiles into space that emit gamma radiation, so in the worst case, we'll all become Incredible Hulks. No biggie. I'll just power the batteries with my tread mill.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VZR1800', 'I')ts the gamma rays hitting the earths magnetic filed that cause EMP. Which just means that your car will not run, so you'll have to hike from Kansas to Missouri. Got good boots?

[Pops]

I used to worry a whole lot about EMP and nuke war a la "On The Beach" (basically Accidental Nuclear Armageddon). Although I still keep my Freeplay radio and hard drive backup in a homemade tin-foil Faraday cage inside an old, grounded microwave it's not as much at the top of my list now the the SU is F

AR is right about the .mil though and, living in Midwest City, VZR1800 probably knows all about .mil and EMP. I have no idea exactly how much capability they would have but I'm sure they would have more than any other power for whatever that's worth.

I don't worry about this as much as I once did, mostly because I don't live in town. Although rural doesn't equal zombie free, it doesn't mean I have some capability to drop back to 150 year old technology.

My personal time horizon would be a couple of years - until my insulin stockpile runs out, at which point I'd need to harvest Timo's!

[VZR1800]

I work at Tinker AFB as a Sheet Metal Mechanic. No I am not sure what Tinker's capabilities are in the event something like EMP happened. Nuclear hardening is only as good as the maintenance performed to keep it top-rate.

Back in the 80's I worked at Rockwell International building the B-1 bombers, and worked from 88 to 99 building the B-2 stealth bombers. I recall the difficulty we had getting the nuclear hardening right on new aircraft. It all downgrades once it leaves the factory due to weather, corrosion, wear and tear, etc. So I suspect the military may be just as susceptible to EMP as anyone else. Hope not though, if it happened I would want it to be while I am on duty on base.

In the book One Second After, the party that delivered the nukes to EMP blast several countries was not a major player, but a bit player that happened to have the dough to purchase the required technology to do the deed. The missiles were launched from freighters, after which the freighters were self-destructed to erase the evidence. In any event, the US preceded to flatten several other countries they syspected were responsible, Iran, North Korea. Turned them into glass not really knowing if they were guilty or not.

Its actually a pretty good book, if you are into reading as I am. Like you I do nto live my life worrying about it. If it happens we're pretty much all dead anyhow, unless we can adapt to 150 year old way of living. Most folks will be unable to do so, and of 330 million people in the US, a great majority will be dead in the first year. I like to consider myself capable of adapting to anything, but not real sure I would want to adapt to this scenario. YUP, spoiled I am.

http://www.onesecondafter.com/

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'M')y personal time horizon would be a couple of years - until my insulin stockpile runs out, at which point I'd need to harvest Timo's!

[Pops]

@ VZR
My son and DIL are both instructors for crews on the E3 Sentry (AWACs) at Tinker. I think there is a EMP research lab there as well as at Kirtland. I thought you might have been involved there, not that I was trying to get you in trouble.


@AR ---
Keep pedaling Poppy, I'm Just About to Level 13!!!

(I know you're just giving me a hard time )


-- OT; diabetes miscellaneous, This is merely speculation about what I might do in a dire, life threatening emergency - don't do anything like this without talking to your doctor - never do anything you read from some schmo on the internet.

Exercise helps insulin utilize sugar and is great for those with type II because those folks still make insulin but either don't make enough or are resistant. Untreated type II diabetics die from complications: heart attack, stroke, infection, etc as a result of elevated blood glucose levels over time. Type II has genetic and lifestyle causes.

Type I diabetes has genetic links but lifestyle isn't the trigger, perhaps its viral or other environmental cause, it isn't really known yet. It is an autoimmune desease that kills the insulin producing cells so very little to none is available. Without insulin to metabolize sugar, untreated type I diabetics basically cannibalize their own tissue, breaking down fat to keep from starving, this causes the blood to become acidic and the whole shootin match goes off the rails pretty quick. I was going along healthy as could be, then thought I had the flu (or told myself...), I dropped 20 pounds in a couple weeks and wound up in the hospital - Doc said I probably wouldn't have lasted another day, he'd only seen higher blood glucose twice and both times in corpses - 1,200 Mg/Dl (normal 80-120).

Yow!

So I'm type I and if I was making any insulin at all at first I don't make any at all now. I don't eat many carbs 40-50g tops most days (equivalent to 3-4 slices of white bread) and much of that is raw stuff and fibre. Not that carbs are necessarily bad, if I want a doughnut I just figure out how much insulin I need to keep my blood sugar down and shoot up! But it's just easier to keep my blood sugar in good control with fewer carbs.

Exercise is also good for type I diabetics (just like everyone) but without careful monitoring, injecting a little too much insulin or exercising outside your normal routine can quickly lead to low blood sugar which is a real drag and can be dangerous, especially in a crash scenario. The brain runs on sugar not fat and low blood sugar shuts down the brain, first affecting personality, then rationality, then consciousness and finally basic respiration/etc - not good when fighting zombies! Insulin shock therapy was used as the replacement for electroshock for a while, it cooks them brain cells!

I think I'd try keeping a slow steady pace with small meals (lots of beans) and lots of water - in a dire emergency only! Now my blood sugar averages less than 100mg/dl but I'd try to keep my glucose below maybe 300mg/dl which is where keytones start rising. Short term it isn't high blood sugar, it's acidosis and organ failure that'll get ya.

A type I diabetic like me would only last a few days to maybe a couple of weeks with no insulin. Good thing I never was in the Overnight Armageddon camp, diabetes sorely limits the enjoyment of apocalyptic daydreams, LOL!

[Satori]

reversing diabetes

http://www.realhealthanswers.com/featur ... llenge.htm

research was recently published that strongly suggests diabetes can be reversed by diet in many many people

[vision-master]

an that 'erb I smoke helps reduce inflammation from PsA. lsol

Have another hit!

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '@') VZR
My son and DIL are both instructors for crews on the E3 Sentry (AWACs) at Tinker. I