$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'P')ops - Your posts are becoming so condescending, convoluted and disrespectful, I have to think
we are rapidly approaching the tipping point.
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Re: The End of Global Warming : Snow in Downtown Auckland
by Pops » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 16:21:36
Not sure what is convoluted about conservatives denying GW or condescending and disrespectful when I report what Americans themselves say.
According to this poll by Gallup, 40% of Americans believe "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so"
That was in December.
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Re: The End of Global Warming : Snow in Downtown Auckland
by peeker01 » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 16:34:44
What's convoluted is how you and others want to distract from this debate with religious
issues, bible verse and insults. Since you don't refute "disrespectful and condescending" I guess
you agree. Much data points away from global warming in the last 10 years, and no amount of
ridicule of my christian faith will change that.
Personally, I don't understand how anybody can look into the Grand Canyon and see a 6000
year timeline. However, it is no less fathomable to watch a devout AGW thinker disregard
the mounting evidence against it. Remember, we are not having an evolution discussion here,
which I happen to believe in, we are talking about thermometers. If you can't read a
thermometer, you have no business in this discussion.
issues, bible verse and insults. Since you don't refute "disrespectful and condescending" I guess
you agree. Much data points away from global warming in the last 10 years, and no amount of
ridicule of my christian faith will change that.
Personally, I don't understand how anybody can look into the Grand Canyon and see a 6000
year timeline. However, it is no less fathomable to watch a devout AGW thinker disregard
the mounting evidence against it. Remember, we are not having an evolution discussion here,
which I happen to believe in, we are talking about thermometers. If you can't read a
thermometer, you have no business in this discussion.
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Re: The End of Global Warming : Snow in Downtown Auckland
by Sixstrings » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 16:54:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '[')url=http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm]According to this poll by Gallup[/url], 40% of Americans believe "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so"
Well we're making progress. In 1982 the percentage was 44%. Also, the 2010 poll had the highest response for "God had no part" in all the polls since 1982 -- 16% in 2010 vs. 9% in 1982.
I dunno, come back in a hundred years I guess.
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Re: The End of Global Warming : Snow in Downtown Auckland
by AgentR11 » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 17:01:26
Because God is referenced with the characteristics of omniscience and omnipotence, it is trivial to suggest that God created the Grand Canyon exactly as you see it, being aware of the placement of every single grain of sand, dust, rock, etc. As for myself, I don't really object to this characterization, as it is indistinguishable from saying creation is the several billion year old universe that it is. Our perception of past time, is not from experience, but from observation and computation, but if the infinite creator placed everything we measure, at once, in situ, with initial velocities as God saw fit; then our observation would be unable to distinguish between the billions of calculated years, and the observed composition and velocities of our measured samples.
I am however, much more comfortable, as a theologically inclined primate, with the idea expressed poetically in Genesis, "And God said, Let there be light." pooof, Big Bang, off to the races. God as infinite, would not be inconvenienced in any way by the observation of billions of years of celestial magnificence. Because, It is good.
But, yeah, there are a good 100+ million people in the US who most certainly believe the Genesis story is a literal documentation of the creation event without poetic license or any other artistic exaggeration. And they vote.
I am however, much more comfortable, as a theologically inclined primate, with the idea expressed poetically in Genesis, "And God said, Let there be light." pooof, Big Bang, off to the races. God as infinite, would not be inconvenienced in any way by the observation of billions of years of celestial magnificence. Because, It is good.
But, yeah, there are a good 100+ million people in the US who most certainly believe the Genesis story is a literal documentation of the creation event without poetic license or any other artistic exaggeration. And they vote.
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
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Re: The End of Global Warming : Snow in Downtown Auckland
by Pops » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 17:02:23
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'W')hat's convoluted is how you and others want to distract from this debate with religious
issues, bible verse and insults. Since you don't refute "disrespectful and condescending" I guess you
agree. Much data points away from global warming in the last 10 years, and no amount of ridicule of my christian faith will change that.
issues, bible verse and insults. Since you don't refute "disrespectful and condescending" I guess you
agree. Much data points away from global warming in the last 10 years, and no amount of ridicule of my christian faith will change that.
I'm not sure what's disrespectful, I pointed out that some christians and many Americans deny science when it comes to evolution and so it isn't surprising to me they would deny science-based GW as well.
This guy said a couple of years ago:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctivities that produce carbon dioxide—such as "breathing, building a fire to cook or keep warm, driving a car or tractor, or burning coal to produce electricity … [are] morally good and necessary activities that God intended for us," said Wayne Grudem, research professor of Bible and theology at Phoenix Seminary. "It seems very unlikely to me that God would have set up the earth to work in such a way that these good and necessary activities would actually destroy the earth."
There is no evidence I might present that will change his faith that God wants us to burn fossil fuels since otherwise He wouldn't have given them to us.
Which is my only point: there is no argument or evidence that could - or should, change a person's faith, so why argue?
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