[OilsNotWell]

Thank you Triff!

If true, this is indeed ominous....

ProMed is a front-line infectious disease news source...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rchive Number 20050525.1435
Published Date 25-MAY-2005
Subject PRO/AH/EDR> Avian influenza, human - China: susp., RFI



AVIAN INFLUENZA, HUMAN - CHINA: SUSPECTED, REQUEST
FOR INFORMATION
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Date: 25 May 2005
From: ProMED-mail <promed@promedmail.org>
Source: Boxun.com, Mon 23 May 2005 [translated from Chinese,
edited]
<http://www.peacehall.com/news/gb/china/2005/05/200505232206.
shtml>


Severe bird flu causes several human deaths, officials begin
disease control measures------------------------------------
Recently, many people died of avian influenza in Qinghai province.
The affected localities reveal that, as of early April 2005, there have
been several deaths of migratory birds. Because of lack of
reporting, the news has not traveled widely. Toward the end of April
2005, cases of human infection started to emerge. After 1 May
2005, some tourists who visited the areas were severely affected,
and 6 of them died.

During the month of April 2005, a large-scale dissemination of the
infection took place involving both humans and domesticated
animals. The affected area is vast but sparsely populated. Thus,
the problem of large-scale of infection involving both humans and
domesticated animals is relatively unnoticeable. The feral birds
migrate freely and so expand the area of transmission. The
Chinese authorities have admitted the outbreaks and started to seal
off the affected area.

Because of this, Mrs. Yi Wu (Chinese Minister of Health) has cut
short her visit to Japan and returned home. According to the local
news in the affected locality, the number of human casualties is
higher than 6.

The deceased persons are all foreign tourists (i.e. not local
residents): 2 (a man and a woman) from Chengdu, and one man
from Chongqing, Sichuang province. It is unknown from where the
remaining casualties come.

The information was provided by someone who has visited the area
of the outbreaks.

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[This unofficial information needs substantiation; any available
information will be very much appreciated. - Mod.AS]

[see also:
Avian influenza, poultry vaccines - China 20050207.0415
Avian influenza, poultry vaccines: a review 20050307.0680
Avian influenza, geese - China 20050522.1413
Unexplained deaths, geese - China (Qinghai): RFI 20050510.127
Undiagnosed illness, geese - China (Fujian) 20050404.0975]
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[OilsNotWell]

Someone please screen capture that site before Chinese authorities have a chance to change it....we have to verify it....

Ok, that's sounds extreme...but it might be important to verify it by someone else besides the Chinese govt....

[OilsNotWell]

Here's a translation I found on another board:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's teh online translation which includes names of dead

Online translation:

The Qinghai malignant birds and beasts flu sends the multi- people to die, official seal news urgent guard
(Abundant news on May 23, 2005)
On May 23, 2005 the Xining news, the Chinese Qinghai Province in the near future will continue to have the multi- times because the infection birds and beasts flu lethal event, will have the matter to send disclosed, the locality already one after another occurred in the beginning of April are many the migratory bird large-scale death event, because 消息闭塞 not the rapid dissemination, had the information one after another in at the end of April which the person infected, after 51 has had the serious infection symptom after the local partial tourists, caused six tourists in the local death.

In April, the locality appears the large-scale infection dissemination phenomenon, the person, the domestic animal and so on has the infection symptom one after another, as a result of local Guang Renxi, therefore, the person and the domestic animal appear wide range the infection question not to be certainly obvious, but because the partial marquises bird has wide range the active characteristic, caused the infection scope to be able to appear the wide range proliferation, China official already acknowledges the fact, and started to begin to seal up the epidemic disease area, before this visited Japan Wu Yi already urgently returned to homeland, it is reported the locality occurred fatal birds and beasts flu actual casualty possibly comparatively formerly six people had to be many. (Abundant news boxun.com)

At present the known infection death average per person is the outside areas tourist, three people are the Sichuan nationality, the Chongqing nationality respectively are

Sichuan Chengdu's easy wind and thunder gentleman
Sichuan Chengdu's Ms. Dai Jing
Chongqing's Mr. Li Tianhai
Other public figures are unclear
Above the news from once arrived the public figure which the mistake sent the place to provide.

[ Abundant news first round, welcome to reprint, please give the source ] (Modified on 200.5/5/23 million) (abundant news boxun.com)

[OilsNotWell]

and another awkward, but important Chinese translation thingy:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')r Nimann just posted this at agonist.This is much worse than I thought!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Qinghai birds and beasts flu casualty storm increases to 121 people, the epidemic disease area large-scale proliferation

[OilsNotWell]

And a post by Dr. Niman:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')uman Bird Flu Deaths Increase to 11 in Qinghai China?

Recombinomics Commentary
May 25, 2005

>> On May 24, 2005 the Xining news, according to internal public figure 透漏, the early morning stops to May 24, the Qinghai epidemic disease area because the infection birds and beasts flu causes the casualty already increased to 121 people, because the epidemic disease area too dispersed, for treated and cured the work to bring the serious puzzle, the Qinghai Province local medical personnel which the participation treated and cured has 11 people already to confirm the death, at present China official still uses the expression was: At present still nobody infection birds and beasts flu, and stricter blockade epidemic disease area news. <<

The May 24 update of the bird flu situation in Qinghai has the number of H5N1 cases increasing from 51 to 121, and the number dead increasing from 6 to 11. These reports are not confirmed. The Xining News indicates a news blackout has now been imposed.

WHO has made inquiries and China has denied any human cases of H5N1 in Qinghai

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/149417/1/.html]China dismally unprepared for bird flu crisis: expert - MediaCorpNews[/url]

PARIS : China remains woefully ill-equipped for tackling avian flu, a top scientist said, as other experts spelt out fears that hundreds of millions of people may die or fall sick if the virus triggers a global pandemic.

[DomusAlbion]

Would it not be a benefit if 10% of the world's population perished in a 3 month period?

We would still be way over our carrying capacity, but 650,000,000 deaths would give the rest of us some breathing room.

[UIUCstudent01]

You volunteer first eh?

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'Y')ou volunteer first eh?

[OilsNotWell]

If this is true.....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Qinghai birds and beasts flu dead family member because the revelation epide
« on: Today at 08:21:42pm » Reply with quote
http://world.altavista.com/babelfis...505251456.shtml

The Qinghai birds and beasts flu dead family member because the revelation epidemic situation collective is missing, the official continuation strictly seals up the news
(Abundant news on May 25, 2005)
On May 25, 2005 the Xining news, after before this reported the Qinghai birds and beasts flu causes 121 person of deaths tragedies, China official has strictly blocked the news, but partially died the family member or to obtain the related internal news.

As a result of the epidemic disease area news blockade, caused many to have the relative recently one after another to arrive Xining in the epidemic disease area work family member, and to dead possible place centralism. Because official unblocking, before this once unified places, after but the death news rapid proliferation, the family members are monitored the housing, the foreign relation received the strict limit, to May 25, related with the family member completely severs. (Abundant news boxun.com)






According to once had been to 伊克 the storehouse to be blue, to fold 夷 east the fruit, the spring on the other day lucky, weaves gathers Masurium, occupies the river, exposes to the sun places the such as Japan mother public figure says, the locality had the multi- people to infect, many domestic animals large-scale deaths, the casualty was unable to count, guards against the personnel to enter the locality one after another, propagandized and provides the prevention drugs, after the partial disinfection left, is infected the personnel at present to be unable to understand. The root according to the above front the material tenderer information, the birds and beasts flu actual scope comparatively estimates must be much bigger, adds the part local domestic animal foreign output, by massively outputs in particular to Guangdong Province, as a result of Guangdong Province's particularity, therefore, the government extremely worried can appear the large-scale proliferation, this also is to the national issue prevention birds and beasts flu main reason.

According to the insider stated that, at present may understand is this birds and beasts flu certainly is not pure H5N1, but is H5N1 ties the synthesis with other infectious virus the new infection virus, but in the symptom only has the small difference with H5N1, has the ambush in particular under the high temperature, manifests suddenly the time to be quicker, but has the infection. At present because just observed the seal epidemic disease area for the main viral output place, other deaths and infected the personnel for once to enter local or the outside areas personnel, therefore, the government mainly just will observe the epidemic disease area in the execution to take main work key, other areas also had the infection case of illness, but comparatively just observed the epidemic disease area to be weak. Simultaneously this public figure pointed out, also has the part of official forge death numeral or includes the non- viral infection and the death personnel the infection death name list, compensates the fund and the guard fund by this request country increase, therefore, the State Council is extremely annoyed. The below name list for the part official content, did not remove has adulterates the content, but the actual casualty cannot be few, because, it is said that dead's corpse already is requested to force to destroy the cremation.

At present understood the situation is, sends the place in the epidemic disease area statistics death either the infection ancestral home or sickness the material to be as follows

Yongfeng infects 6 people, died 8 people,
The red mountain infects 9 people, died 6 people,
Folds 夷 east the fruit to infect 9 people, died 12 people,
Upstream infects 3 people, died 11 people,
伊克 the storehouse blue infects 3 people, died 12 people,
Mai Duosai infection 7 dyes, died 6 people,
Weaves gathers Masurium to infect 3 people, died 9 people,
The spring lucky infects 6 people, died 9 people,
Just observed the big temple to infect 3 people, died 8 people,
Exposes to the sun Japan the mother to infect 3 people, died 6 people,
South infects 2 people compared to the tune fruit, died 3 people,
The money expands infects 3 people, died 9 people,
Occupies the river to infect 2 people, died 7 people,
毫 I fall infect 4 people, died 7 people,
Lugg item date that fine jade infects 3 people, died 1 person,
Cuts lucky infects the branch date 2 people, died 3 people,
Happy Masurium infects 6 people, died 3 people,
The small north lake touching 4 people, died 1 person,

Above is official the part official material which reports in May 24, provides by internal public figure.

At present provided the news the family member already was unable to obtain the relation, the main epidemic disease area also already the large-scale transmission drugs and the guard work, the following death situation also was unable to understand.

(Abundant news editor's note: This news abundant news is unable to verify, hoped the reader also provides the related news. Also hoped the intermediary physical ability direct relation epidemic disease area, seeks the clue.) _ (abundant news freely sends manuscript area to send manuscript) (abundant news boxun.com)

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hina denies Qinghai some people to die of the birds and beasts flu
(Abundant news on May 25, 2005)
On the other day, some people to the abundant news disclosedthe Qinghai birds and beasts flu casualty storm increases to 121 people, the epidemic disease area large-scale proliferation, slightly the front report and produces the partial dead's name. But, on 24th the Chinese medical department denied this report to Voice of America reporter.
(Voice of America reporter: The Yang early morning on May 24, 2005 Hong Kong reported) after Chinese Qinghai eruption migratory bird infection birds and beasts flu death, the people worried the birds and beasts flu can disseminate in the middle of the crowd. Some reports said that, Qinghai already some people died of the birds and beasts flu. But the China health official firmly denies.

Some reports pointed out on the other day that, China's Qinghai area besides the confirmation migratory bird infection birds and beasts flu, already some more than 100 people died of the birds and beasts flu. To this view, Chinese medical department Assistant Director Mr. Mao Qunan indicated to this station of reporter that, "This question I may definitely say that, we do not have." (

BabelFishTranslation

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')as anyone seen confirmation of this report from other sources? Not that I believe the Chinese gov. but this info. about infections and deaths is in such contrast to the gov. news releases that it doesn't seem possible. If I'm not mistaken, WHO praised China for the fast response, so either they were taking China's word for everything, and the situation was much worse then WHO was told, or the reports of deaths are exagerated, or perhaps even a fabrication by some pinko commie to get us excited.

IF the reports are true, then as Mr. G so eloquently put it, we are all in very deep doo doo indeed.

Crossing my fingers and hoping it's all pinko commie lies.



Re:The Qinghai birds and beasts flu dead family member because the revelation ep
« Reply #7 on: Today at 10:49:31pm » Reply with quote

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There are two independent reports on a news blackout. I don't think a news blackout is required for no human cases.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') believe the above report is listing 79 infections and 121 deaths.

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Henry L Niman, PhD
Founder, President
Recombinomics, Inc

[OilsNotWell]

New Zealand virologist Lance Jennings says the bird flu virus in Vietnam is beginning to adapt to humans and if it does, it could spread to New Zealand in a matter of hours

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3293323a10,00.html

Flu pandemic warnings escalate

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... -flu_x.htm

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ase Fatality Rate

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I believe the table indicates the case fatality rate is at least 60.5% if most of the infected recover. I think 121 out of 200 have died so far. I am not sure if there have been any discharges.

[OilsNotWell]

World unprepared for flu capable of killing 10 million
More mainstream media reporting. Thursday US news will be busy.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1628083,00.html

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think locals caught it also.

"Toward the end of April 2005, cases of human infection started to emerge. After 1 May 2005, some tourists who visited the areas were severely affected,
and 6 of them died."

I'm reading the first section as locals starting getting it the end of April. But that only the tourists died. Maybe antibodies to a previous mutation of H5N!?

If 6 tourists died, how many got infected? How many made it back to their home towns?!

CurEvents

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')istoric special issue on avian flu in Nature

In an extraordinary special issue, the world's top scientific journal, Nature, again sounds an urgent warning regarding the threat of a pandemic from avian influenza.

Trouble is brewing in the East. A highly pathogenic strain of avian influenza is endemic in southeast Asia. Many millions of chickens have been culled, but there is a persistent reservoir in domesticated ducks and wild birds. The H5N1 virus isn't going to go away. And each time it emerges, people can be infected.

EffectMeasure

[OilsNotWell]

Coincidental? Outbreak of Foot and Mouth Disease resulting in reported slaughter of thousands of cows and area containment efforts...


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[OilsNotWell]

Another Coincidence?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')pdate 1: Taiwan Shares End Lower on SARS Report
05.25.2005, 04:17 AM
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/200 ... 53625.html

Taiwan's shares ended lower Wednesday on concerns over a news report that a man who recently returned from China had died of SARS, despite the government's denial, traders said.