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Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstorms

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 17:40:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ast week on his show Bill O’Reilly asked, “Why has southern New York turned into the tundra?” and then said he had a call into me. I appreciate the question.

As it turns out, the scientific community has been addressing this particular question for some time now and they say that increased heavy snowfalls are completely consistent with what they have been predicting as a consequence of man-made global warming:

“In fact, scientists have been warning for at least two decades that global warming could make snowstorms more severe. Snow has two simple ingredients: cold and moisture. Warmer air collects moisture like a sponge until it hits a patch of cold air. When temperatures dip below freezing, a lot of moisture creates a lot of snow.”

“A rise in global temperature can create all sorts of havoc, ranging from hotter dry spells to colder winters, along with increasingly violent storms, flooding, forest fires and loss of endangered species.”
http://blog.algore.com/2011/02/an_answer_for_bill.html


Well that kind of makes sense. But haven't temps leveled out? If it's true the climate isn't getting warmer, then how can warming be causing harsher winters?

He may be right, but I think the trap he's in with "average folks" is of his own making. I don't remember "An Inconvenient Truth" predicting bitter blizzards and frigid cold. Al Gore sold climate change to us as "global warming" and trying to turn that around now to "it's colder because it's warmer" is a tough sell.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby eXpat » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 18:08:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')He may be right, but I think the trap he's in with "average folks" is of his own making. I don't remember "An Inconvenient Truth" predicting bitter blizzards and frigid cold. Al Gore sold climate change to us as "global warming" and trying to turn that around now to "it's colder because it's warmer" is a tough sell.

You haven´t bee reading ANY of the threads about climate change didn´t you?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ealizing that global warming doesn’t only mean higher temperatures
Global warming isn’t just about rising temperatures; it’s about the effects of those higher temperatures:

* Stormier storms: Rising sea temperatures release more water vapor into the air above the ocean. When hurricanes form, they pick up this increased vapor, which creates a more intense storm.
* Chillier cold: In some northern areas, melting snow and ice cool the sea water that currently offers a moderating effect on those areas.
* Drier deserts: Arid areas can expect to be drier for longer periods each year, and other areas may become drier.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-the-effects-of-climate-change-and-gl.html
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 18:15:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')He may be right, but I think the trap he's in with "average folks" is of his own making. I don't remember "An Inconvenient Truth" predicting bitter blizzards and frigid cold. Al Gore sold climate change to us as "global warming" and trying to turn that around now to "it's colder because it's warmer" is a tough sell.

You haven´t bee reading ANY of the threads about climate change didn´t you?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ealizing that global warming doesn’t only mean higher temperatures
Global warming isn’t just about rising temperatures; it’s about the effects of those higher temperatures:

* Stormier storms: Rising sea temperatures release more water vapor into the air above the ocean. When hurricanes form, they pick up this increased vapor, which creates a more intense storm.
* Chillier cold: In some northern areas, melting snow and ice cool the sea water that currently offers a moderating effect on those areas.
* Drier deserts: Arid areas can expect to be drier for longer periods each year, and other areas may become drier.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/understanding-the-effects-of-climate-change-and-gl.html
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Sure! Didn't we have a lot of those weather conditions in the mid 1970s.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 18:16:05

The wet comes just before the ice age.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby dissident » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 18:37:21

That the moist air is coming from the south is obviously too hard to grasp for some.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 18:50:44

I never had much luck @ grasping air, but this place is full of HOT air. lsol
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 01 Feb 2011, 21:25:06

Climate science is not static. Inconvenient truth was over 5 years ago. We've learned a lot since then. We've learned that the entire planet doesn't just evenly warm up, but that there is this disruption of airflows and water currents that create unpredictable fluctuations, as well as more water vapor in the air causing more violent storms. So for denialists to focus solely on temperature while one 100-year storm after another rocks our world is kind of laughable.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby Lore » Wed 02 Feb 2011, 00:16:40

It doesn’t take deep thinking or a PHD in science to understand that adding more energy to any system will excite the molecules, or that anytime moist air reaches a temperature below 32F precipitation falls out in the form of snow.

January will show up to be a rather average month globally in terms of temperature, but above average in terms of severe weather events.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby kiwichick » Wed 02 Feb 2011, 07:05:55

meanwhile back at the farm....

Australia being hit by cyclone Lasi

bigger than Katrina

and being driven by record high temperatures in surrounding seas

when will we see the first cat 6??
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby kiwichick » Wed 02 Feb 2011, 07:08:44

cyclone Lasi expected to still be cat 3 450 KILOMETRES INLAND!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby mos6507 » Wed 02 Feb 2011, 08:41:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')t doesn’t take deep thinking or a PHD in science to understand that adding more energy to any system will excite the molecules, or that anytime moist air reaches a temperature below 32F precipitation falls out in the form of snow.

January will show up to be a rather average month globally in terms of temperature, but above average in terms of severe weather events.


The current back-to-back storm in the northeast is a good example of that. It's currently switching over to sleet. We've already had at least one other storm amidst all this snow that was mostly rain. Clearly if you draw out the trend lines, total snowfall in this area will take a nosedive because temperatures are so often right on the freezing line. Once it is mostly over 32', snowmageddon will be over. If it had stayed consistently under freezing the standing snow would probably be 6' the way Pstarr was mocking, instead of it steadily melting down and washing away.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby Vogelzang » Tue 17 May 2011, 18:18:46

Warm weather creates less snow storms, not more. Proof once again that there is no man made global warming.

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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 17 May 2011, 19:38:39

Could I have made some $$$$ on a bet placed in the early 90s that Al Gore would be endlessly demonized? Like one of those derivative instruments based on the current temp in Albany NY vs the price of pork bellies et al?

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')The natural disasters last summer -- including the Queensland and Victorian floods and Cyclone Yasi -- have cost the economy $6.6 billion.

The deadly season has also led to about $9bn in production to be written off, mainly in coal and agricultural losses, or half a percentage point of real GDP.

The disasters are also expected to reduce tax receipts by $1.75bn.

Wayne Swan last night said 2011 had been a difficult year for many who had endured floods and cyclones. "Natural disasters have devastated families, cities and towns," he said.

Over the next six years, $6.6bn will be spent providing immediate relief and helping communities rebuild -- $1bn more than budgeted when the Gillard government announced its one-off flood levy in the wake of the Queensland floods.

The damage from Cyclone Yasi is estimated to cost $950 million, much higher than the predicted $500m.


Ironic about the impact on coal production.
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Re: Al Gore says global warming is creating harsher snowstor

Unread postby yeahbut » Tue 17 May 2011, 20:21:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he deadly season has also led to about $9bn in production to be written off, mainly in coal and agricultural losses, or half a percentage point of real GDP.


Ironic about the impact on coal production.


Yeah there are a few sweet ironies with anthropogenic climate change. I think the possibility that oil will be able to be more easily extracted from the Arctic because of ice break-up is hard to beat tho...
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Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 17:38:08

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Al Gore likens Tea Partiers who doubt seriousness of debt debate to climate change skeptics

With just a week to go before the United States risks defaulting on its loans, former Vice President Al Gore is warning Americans not to let "ideological extremists" take control of the congressional debate over raising the debt limit.
In a blog post on Monday afternoon, Gore argued that an increase to the debt ceiling is being held up by "a significant number of Republican and Tea Party Members of Congress apparently hold the view that there actually would not be consequences for global markets or the U.S. economy if we defaulted."

This view, Gore said, is "of course, absurd," and speaks to a greater problem within American political discourse: "Dramatic changes in the way we communicate with one another about issues affecting the common good have diminished the role of reason and fact-based analysis, encouraging ideological extremists to construct their own alternative version of reality and defend it against fact-based reasoning," he wrote.

The longtime environmental activist went on to liken skepticism about the seriousness of the debt ceiling debate - and the consequences of default - to that surrounding climate change.

"Notwithstanding the unanimous opinion of every National Academy of Science in every major country in the world, every professional scientific society in fields related to the study of the climate crisis and 97 percent of climate scientists in the world, many ideologues cling to the view that these facts are wrong
, that scientists are perpetrating a hoax, that they are either greedy for more research dollars or secretly promoting the expansion of government, and that authorities such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are more reliable than the global scientific community in analyzing the impact of global warming pollution," he wrote.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20083688-503544.html


Oh man, why did he have to go there.

Common, average middle of the road folks already feel spooked by the puritanical "Climate Change Denier" label throwing, but now Al Gore has to slyly expand that "Denier" scarlet D to include anyone who's against the debt ceiling.

So that's how it is eh, the debt ceiling is just a force of nature now and can't be denied? If you oppose the debt ceiling then you disagree with 97% of world economists, therefore you're a SCIENCE DENIER.. :roll:

Let me tell you something about Al Gore. He's a pro-rich top 1% profiteer and a globalist. This mess we're in over the deficit is all Al Gore's fault and BILL CLINTON's fault because of NAFTA. That's all I have to say on that, go away Al Gore and take your scarlet D's with you.
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Re: Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Unread postby peeker01 » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 17:55:52

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Re: Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 18:15:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'I')'m proud of you strings.


Oh god don't say that you'll get me on the same sh*t list you're on. :?

I just call it like I see it. I'm leaning AGW, but on principle I don't like people yelling "Science Denier" in the context of a political debate. That's a slippery slope there. It's every bit as puritanical as when the right drags God into things. Because you can't argue with God, right? Can't argue with science, right?

Bottom line, it's patently unfair to label those opposed to Keynsian economics as "Science Deniers." It's just an attempt to shut down debate. Claiming that science demands the debt ceiling be raised forever and ever is no different than someone who says "because it's in the Bible, God says so."

I'm still for protecting SS and Medicare and all that, but the debt and unsound money are problems too.. what we need to do is go back to Clinton tax rates and cut back on the wars. Also we have to stop offshoring and bring jobs back so the US can recover and grow jobs again and then guess what the newly employed will be paying taxes again.

Back on topic.. leave the Science Denier labels to the AGW issue let's not drag it into every other political issue so that it ends up that anyone who doesn't agree with Al Gore 100% is a Science Denier.
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Re: Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Tue 26 Jul 2011, 18:29:57

Didn't he invent the "Internets"?
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