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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')etired Physics Professor, Steven E. Jones is working on a simple overunity circuit that he has seen go as high as 20 times overunity; documented on a state-of-the-art Tektronix 3032 oscilloscope at Brigham Young University producing eight times as much energy as was required to run the solid state circuit. One of his friends, Les Kraut, has replicated the circuit and also achieved eight times overunity.
As a second and more simple test, Steve let the circuit run overnight, powering an LED bulb; and nine hours later, the input battery was still at the same measured voltage as it has been at the beginning, it used so little power. Normally that would drain the AA battery quite a bit.
It's just a small amount of power we're talking about - in the hundreds of milliwatts range (just under a Watt), but it's a start.
What is significant about this is 1) the credibility and reputation of Dr. Jones, being something that academic types won't be able to ignore; 2) the rigor of the testing, given the measurement equipment he has access to; 3) the simplicity of the circuit, which is actually open source; 4) the low cost of the circuit components, making it easy to be replicated.
"I don't know where the energy is coming from, but it's coming from somewhere," he said.
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Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overunity
Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overunity
by Carlhole » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 20:06:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he circuit is a derivation of the "Joule Thief" circuit or a "blocking oscillator". His variation has an LC-circuit feeding into the base of the transistor (which is unusual) which regulates the resonant frequency of the device. He calls this circuit a "boost resonator" because it resonates at a certain frequency, and since the evidence shows that it somehow boosts the input power. "I also found a way to 'tune' the efficiency, n, and to reduce the net input power to nearly zero."
It's a small world, isn't it?
It's going to be an open source project with diagrams, plans and kits available on a PESwiki page coming soon to a web page near you!
Check out the video.
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Re: Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overu
by Outcast_Searcher » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 21:20:55
Let me guess... There is a hidden E-cat making all this extra energy?
Or have we now found perpetual motion? If so, that'll sure solve the peak oil problem!
Again - healthy skepticism here. Wonderful if this turns out to be true but I won't hold my breath waiting on commercially viable products based on this "extra energy from somewhere".
Or have we now found perpetual motion? If so, that'll sure solve the peak oil problem!
Again - healthy skepticism here. Wonderful if this turns out to be true but I won't hold my breath waiting on commercially viable products based on this "extra energy from somewhere".
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overu
by Carlhole » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 22:13:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'L')et me guess... There is a hidden E-cat making all this extra energy?
Or have we now found perpetual motion? If so, that'll sure solve the peak oil problem!
Again - healthy skepticism here. Wonderful if this turns out to be true but I won't hold my breath waiting on commercially viable products based on this "extra energy from somewhere".
Or have we now found perpetual motion? If so, that'll sure solve the peak oil problem!
Again - healthy skepticism here. Wonderful if this turns out to be true but I won't hold my breath waiting on commercially viable products based on this "extra energy from somewhere".
Come on.. all of this stuff going on is strange as crap to everyone, including me. But watch Jones' video of his careful measurements. The guy goes overboard to emphasize this point. He offers it as a proof-of-principle.
I think I was down with mono that day when they went over electronics.
- Carlhole
Re: Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overu
by Outcast_Searcher » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 22:23:33
OK. I'll certainly cede your poin that something very strange is indeed going on.
BTW, IMO, with stuff like electronics, if you learn about it, say, in a college physics class for a week or so (as I did) and then NEVER actually use it in any serious way again -- as you age it's basically impossible to expect to be good at understanding it, unless you're some kind of high end genius.
As I recall, in one year of college physics, electronics seemed simple (as far as common sense) compared to optics and especially to relativity. We didn't even get to quantum mechanics, but every time I try to read and think hard about it my head threatens to explode. Somehow I think when we evolved with rules like -- "quick - climb that tree before that big cat or bear eats you!" and "get the hell away from me and my woman! - you don't look like me" leaves us COMPLETELY intellectually incapable of truly trying to understand things like what's REALLY going on as far as "deep reality". (Just one layman's opinion).
BTW, IMO, with stuff like electronics, if you learn about it, say, in a college physics class for a week or so (as I did) and then NEVER actually use it in any serious way again -- as you age it's basically impossible to expect to be good at understanding it, unless you're some kind of high end genius.
As I recall, in one year of college physics, electronics seemed simple (as far as common sense) compared to optics and especially to relativity. We didn't even get to quantum mechanics, but every time I try to read and think hard about it my head threatens to explode. Somehow I think when we evolved with rules like -- "quick - climb that tree before that big cat or bear eats you!" and "get the hell away from me and my woman! - you don't look like me" leaves us COMPLETELY intellectually incapable of truly trying to understand things like what's REALLY going on as far as "deep reality". (Just one layman's opinion).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overu
by diemos » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 22:51:07
Neato!
There's a steady DC current from the battery, passing through Rb and charging up the capacitor. When the capacitor voltage reaches threshold for the transistor it turns on and fires the resonant circuit formed by the capacitor and inductor. During the ringing of the circuit the power loss from the battery is smaller than the power dissipated in the diode leg because most of the power is coming from what's been stored in the capacitor.
There's a steady DC current from the battery, passing through Rb and charging up the capacitor. When the capacitor voltage reaches threshold for the transistor it turns on and fires the resonant circuit formed by the capacitor and inductor. During the ringing of the circuit the power loss from the battery is smaller than the power dissipated in the diode leg because most of the power is coming from what's been stored in the capacitor.
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Re: Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overu
by Nefarious » Mon 13 Jun 2011, 22:54:58
In the comments below the article the poster Motor Guy pretty much debunks this. Seems the professor doesn't know how to take proper measurements.
Sorry no perpetual motion machines today.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Motor Guy', '
')Last night I put together a replication using an EZ Circuit board. A picture of it is here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17 ... ezckt.jpg/
I followed my construction recommendations from earlier posts to minimize stray inductance, and I added decoupling to the collector of the transistor. I powered the circuit from an Agilent regulated supply 4 feet away set to 2.50V. Because of the decoupling I was able to confirm virtually no HF current in the power supply leads going back to the supply. I monitored supply current with a National Instruments 0.01 Ohm current sense resistor, which matched the reading on the Agilent supply. The circuit performs consistently with analysis and simulation. There is less than 10% amplitude 14MHz ringing on top of the basic 2MHz quasi-rectangular and very stable waveform. The ringing could be further reduced by using a circuit board with a ground plane instead of the EZ Circuit prototyping board and/or by adding a series base resistor. RR was left a short, and I did not install either CSR1 or CSR2 in order to minimize stray inductance. I used two mica capacitors in parallel for CB. The pair measure out as 142pF on a capacitance meter. I used a 2K resistor for RB. The transistor was a 2N2222A. I hand wound the choke using 38T bifilar 30AWG on a Magnetics Inc. 58056-A2 high flux core. The LO low-side connection was right at the V+ to V- 0.1uF decoupling capacitor, immediately adjacent to the collector of Q.
The circuit draws 40mA with a 5.1K RO resistor, and 80mA with 0 Ohms. Output power was a small fraction of input power: 25% for the 0 Ohm case.
Here is a link to the emitter waveform with RO set to 0 Ohms: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/jones2.png/ In that capture, 0V is one major division above the screen center. The peak positive voltage is 2.0V, and the peak negative voltage is -3.8V.
Classical analysis, circuit simulation, and experiment all agree for my set-up. They are consistent with the results exnihiloest reports. They do not show anything new or unusual. This further confirms that Dr. Jones' anomalies are the result of the poor construction and measurement techniques used in his experiments. If Dr. Jones cleans-up his set-up as recommended he should obtain similar results.
Monday, May 30, 2011, 9:03:59 AM
Sorry no perpetual motion machines today.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Motor Guy', '
')Last night I put together a replication using an EZ Circuit board. A picture of it is here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17 ... ezckt.jpg/
I followed my construction recommendations from earlier posts to minimize stray inductance, and I added decoupling to the collector of the transistor. I powered the circuit from an Agilent regulated supply 4 feet away set to 2.50V. Because of the decoupling I was able to confirm virtually no HF current in the power supply leads going back to the supply. I monitored supply current with a National Instruments 0.01 Ohm current sense resistor, which matched the reading on the Agilent supply. The circuit performs consistently with analysis and simulation. There is less than 10% amplitude 14MHz ringing on top of the basic 2MHz quasi-rectangular and very stable waveform. The ringing could be further reduced by using a circuit board with a ground plane instead of the EZ Circuit prototyping board and/or by adding a series base resistor. RR was left a short, and I did not install either CSR1 or CSR2 in order to minimize stray inductance. I used two mica capacitors in parallel for CB. The pair measure out as 142pF on a capacitance meter. I used a 2K resistor for RB. The transistor was a 2N2222A. I hand wound the choke using 38T bifilar 30AWG on a Magnetics Inc. 58056-A2 high flux core. The LO low-side connection was right at the V+ to V- 0.1uF decoupling capacitor, immediately adjacent to the collector of Q.
The circuit draws 40mA with a 5.1K RO resistor, and 80mA with 0 Ohms. Output power was a small fraction of input power: 25% for the 0 Ohm case.
Here is a link to the emitter waveform with RO set to 0 Ohms: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/jones2.png/ In that capture, 0V is one major division above the screen center. The peak positive voltage is 2.0V, and the peak negative voltage is -3.8V.
Classical analysis, circuit simulation, and experiment all agree for my set-up. They are consistent with the results exnihiloest reports. They do not show anything new or unusual. This further confirms that Dr. Jones' anomalies are the result of the poor construction and measurement techniques used in his experiments. If Dr. Jones cleans-up his set-up as recommended he should obtain similar results.
Monday, May 30, 2011, 9:03:59 AM
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