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THE Nobel Prizes and Winners Thread (merged)

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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 13 Jul 2009, 23:40:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'W')hat other benefits do we experience due to a hurricane?


Natural selection takes place.

Those individuals smart enough to leave coastal areas for higher ground when warned a hurricane is coming will mostly survive and pass on their genes.
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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby jlw61 » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 08:46:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'S')ure its feasible.
In fact, Bill Gates could cool the entire planet if he pumps enough cold water out of the deep ocean.



As long as there are enough resources to build the million ships it would take to be able to cool a big enough area quickly enough. I have to agree, this is a vanity patent and would wreck untold mayhem if ever implimented.
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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby ian807 » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 10:09:14

Actually, this is pretty damn smart. Enough large ocean based stirling engines would both generate power AND reduce the hurricane probability by redistributing hot and cold water.

I do worry about the ecological consequences. Creatures of all sorts depend on having the right temperature. Muck that up and you could see a big die off.
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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby stonecypher » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 12:36:47

Some wit posted a comment over at Above Top Secret that may give you a sense of how much of a vanity patent this idea REALLY is:

"I believe his approach is to build a wall made from Windows Vista DVDs. The idea is to force the air through the tiny holes while disposing of some truly crappy software at the same time. This will force the hurricanes to reboot so often they will just have to give up." :-D

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread481801/pg1
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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 13:46:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ian807', 'A')ctually, this is pretty damn smart. Enough large ocean based stirling engines would both generate power AND reduce the hurricane probability by redistributing hot and cold water.

I do worry about the ecological consequences. Creatures of all sorts depend on having the right temperature. Muck that up and you could see a big die off.


Good point about power generation. But regarding climate, at this point if we do nothing we face serious repercussions and the idea of churning the oceans offers some interesting possibilities.

* Generate electricity
Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion Systems

* Bill Gates rebooting the climate? Done in a big way, something like this might this be used to sink CO2, stabilize the climate and prevent run away climate change? I think at this point to deal with climate change we would have to engage in a massive effort to cool the earth. Blotting out the sun would be effective, intentional global dimming using cannons to fire fine particulates into the atmosphere has been considered before. There are scientific articles on that option, not just the movie Highlander 2 lol. Seriously though, I think churning the oceans might be a better option then the cannons approach. And who knows, perhaps something like this might offer the slim chance for world populations to leveling off gradually.

Wishful thinking perhaps, but I thought I'd put the idea out there. Whatever the case, I could see this happening. The oceans are an energy resource, a mining resource and perhaps a resource for climate control. So I could see big money getting into something like this. The ocean deep is at least as good a bet as the stock market!

Top Scientist: Stir Up Oceans, Stop Global Warming

Giant ocean-based pipes could curb global warming: scientists

Scientists Debate Shading Earth As Climate Fix
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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 13:53:53

From my "What if" file:

The earth is absorbing heat instead of reflecting it back into space (or, the Nexxus, or whatever) because of the relentless ice-melting cycle. What if everybody just paints their roofs, homes and businesses, white?
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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 14:15:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'F')rom my "What if" file:

The earth is absorbing heat instead of reflecting it back into space (or, the Nexxus, or whatever) because of the relentless ice-melting cycle. What if everybody just paints their roofs, homes and businesses, white?

It's been considered, painting whole deserts has been considered, covering parts of glaciers has been done. There are a lot of people thinking about these problems and who knows, maybe a few important people take this stuff seriously. I got my fingers crossed and my popcorn ready! Come what may...

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Re: So Should Bill Snag The Nobel If He Pulls This Off?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 14 Jul 2009, 14:25:28

By the way, thinking about this as a business plan. Starting small with changing a local climate like knocking out hurricanes would be a good start. They would be earning a reputation while at the same time, making money from oil companies invested in the area, shippers and the state would probably pay up for this technology too. Then after the numbers are in and systems are tested, think bigger and go after world climate change. Just when people are starting to feel the heat, there they are.

I don't know if that's what they are thinking, but it would make a heck of a business plan!
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Nobel for Infinite Planet Theory

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 26 May 2011, 04:13:38

Well, apparently one economist got this Nobel/Nobel Memorial prize for theory of infinite planet:
http://steadystate.org/mountebank-nobel/
I don't know, maybe it is a joke and I have missed something.
Pleas correct me, if so.
However if true, we will soon start giving Nobel in Physics for Perpetual Motion Machines.
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Re: Nobel for Infinite Planet Theory

Unread postby radon » Thu 26 May 2011, 04:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'W')ell, apparently one economist got this Nobel/Nobel Memorial prize for theory of infinite planet:
http://steadystate.org/mountebank-nobel/
I don't know, maybe it is a joke and I have missed something.
Pleas correct me, if so.
However if true, we will soon start giving Nobel in Physics for Perpetual Motion Machines.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')lanetary constraints have been conquered. They have gone the way of the dodo, the Roman Empire and the world’s major fisheries.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')hillip van Uppington, former vice president at Lehman Brothers, asserts that Dr. Mountebank was a huge influence on his firm. “We used to quote him all the time. One of the highlights of my career was the symposium I arranged a few years back with Mountebank and Milton Friedman. We called it ‘Double Milton Day.’ It really opened our minds to the possibilities of innovative finance. Once we implemented the double Milton doctrines, we made more cash than most small nations.”

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')r. Mountebank is the eighth Nobel laureate in economics from Fantasia University.


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Re: Nobel for Infinite Planet Theory

Unread postby crude_intentions » Thu 26 May 2011, 12:25:25

moun·te·bank/ˈmountiˌbaNGk/Noun
1. A person who deceives others, esp. in order to trick them out of their money; a charlatan.
2. A person who sold patent medicines in public places. More »
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Re: Nobel for Infinite Planet Theory

Unread postby Sys1 » Thu 26 May 2011, 12:29:36

It's interesting to note how economy is viewed by our civilisation.
Nobel price is the best you can achieve as an intellectual reward.
Our current paradigm is that growth is unstopable and great as a purpose.
Of course, we have here a joke. But... You need to read the lines of the article to find it's sarcastic. At first stance, the title looks plausible!
Mainstream medias teach us every day that perpetual growth is as true (if not more) as gravity law. Average guy thinks economy is as serious as mathematics, physics or chemestry. This thinking is the result of propaganda. Governments, banks and medias prevent people from any critic toward our current economic paradigm. The most efficient way to do that is to laugh at so called communists-ecologists-ecoterrorists... In a way, it's forbidden to critisize the system. Actually, you can, but it's pretty like shouting in the desert.

This reminds me strongly the Middle ages, known also as dark ages, when the power was in the hands of church. At this time, it was also forbidden to critisize the system. You were called an heretic in case you didn't accept the rules of "God". You could eventually be tortured or killed for that.

Today's economy is a reminiscence of dark ages. You can't fight against the rules. You have to live with, to adapt. As we are going down peak oil slope, the preacher of growth will have to polish more and more their teaching lessons in order to keep citizens under mind control.
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Re: Nobel for Infinite Planet Theory

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 05 Jun 2011, 15:56:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sys1', 'T')his reminds me strongly the Middle ages, known also as dark ages, when the power was in the hands of church. At this time, it was also forbidden to critisize the system. You were called an heretic in case you didn't accept the rules of "God". You could eventually be tortured or killed for that.

Today's economy is a reminiscence of dark ages. You can't fight against the rules. You have to live with, to adapt. As we are going down peak oil slope, the preacher of growth will have to polish more and more their teaching lessons in order to keep citizens under mind control.


Oh please let me know when this "golden age" of economics occurred.
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