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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby sparky » Thu 19 May 2011, 08:04:50

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Same here , I sunk solid , Ohh well maybe next year will be early , so to speak
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby Revi » Thu 19 May 2011, 09:44:44

It's early, but my prediction of $157 may not happen this year without some big unrest in the oil markets.

We'll see. I'm not betting on it this year.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby sparky » Thu 19 May 2011, 19:31:11

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There is a forecast for a very tight supply ..." next year "
but that's assuming there is some growth
so far the only growth is coming from Chinese millions of new drivers
the Beijing government has its hands full getting , and keeping ,enough gasoline
to feed the 14 millions extra cars registered last year , on top of the 62 millions registered vehicles .
with the statistics lag ,as of june 2011 the total number cannot be too far from 100 millions
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 31 May 2011, 00:09:59

Any update for the end of may?
I am still reasonably confident of my ceiling price; the bottom may be tougher and higher than my $77.70 bet.
The next few months with the US driving season approaching could push things either way, there has to be an element of demand destruction in unemployment stats. It's easy enough to drive less, but heating the home is at least somewhat mandatory.
As to Sparky's millions of extra cars in China etc. I have mentioned this before and will again, car ownership is more of a status symbol in China and Asia generally than a necessary fact of life as in the USA. People very often drive scooters to save on fuel, even when a car is parked out front.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Tue 31 May 2011, 19:43:18

The EIA will release their data this Thursday for the end of May.

Meanwhile, the leaders by percentage of time they were in first place (as of 24-May) are:
Daniel_Plainview 30%
TheDude 24%
no_name 18%
Midessa 13%
Cog 8%
kublikhan 5%
OilFinder2 2%
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed 01 Jun 2011, 03:35:22

Yeah but that's not the competition, is it. The game is in the end about the end of the year, not average over the year, else it's a new game. If that's the case it should have been stated at the beginning, which it wasn't.
Interesting anyway, thanks peakoiler. :)
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Wed 01 Jun 2011, 05:58:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')eah but that's not the competition, is it. The game is in the end about the end of the year, not average over the year, else it's a new game. If that's the case it should have been stated at the beginning, which it wasn't.
Interesting anyway, thanks peakoiler. :)


No, it's not a new game, it's a side statistic, kinda like percentage pass completions. I'll post a new scorecard later this week. Pup made a point last year regarding how long OilFinder2 held the number one spot, so I thought I would keep track of those stats this year.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby Cog » Wed 01 Jun 2011, 11:02:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'Y')eah but that's not the competition, is it. The game is in the end about the end of the year, not average over the year, else it's a new game. If that's the case it should have been stated at the beginning, which it wasn't.
Interesting anyway, thanks peakoiler. :)


No, it's not a new game, it's a side statistic, kinda like percentage pass completions. I'll post a new scorecard later this week. Pup made a point last year regarding how long OilFinder2 held the number one spot, so I thought I would keep track of those stats this year.


We need a chart given the drop down to around $102/bbl
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Thu 02 Jun 2011, 19:05:07

The latest scorecard:

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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby jdmartin » Tue 07 Jun 2011, 12:51:06

I'm sinkin' like heavy crude :-D Actually I'm only down about 3 places from my high. Unless things get pretty crazy, I'm not going to get anywhere near my high prediction.
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby Revi » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 12:47:34

We're going to be seeing the price go down for a while as Greece sinks.
That upsets the Euro, which strengthens the US dollar and takes the price of oil down.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby dolanbaker » Tue 14 Jun 2011, 13:40:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')e're going to be seeing the price go down for a while as Greece sinks.
That upsets the Euro, which strengthens the US dollar and takes the price of oil down.

I'm not so sure, Brent's almost $120 right now and rising!

edit: Greek default has been expected for a long time, I reckon the markets have already factored it in.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby Pops » Wed 15 Jun 2011, 11:10:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', 'I')'m not so sure, Brent's almost $120 right now and rising!

Yea, our game is on WTI but the spread with brent just hit an all time high. I read the spread is more about the Nigerian pipeline problem than the Cushing storage glut. The OPEC basket is at $113, a near straight line rise from 6/10 to 5/11 where it topped at nearly $120

This years winner gets love but an asterisk too! Next year will be even more interesting with refinery expansion by Marathon complete, the opening of new southbound pipes to the gulf and, I'll bet, a very hard-to-spin-positively economic "situation".

Still wondering if my $130 guess to break (or at least "brake") the economy was high...


Edit: fixed my OPEC price figures.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby dolanbaker » Thu 16 Jun 2011, 07:39:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')e're going to be seeing the price go down for a while as Greece sinks.
That upsets the Euro, which strengthens the US dollar and takes the price of oil down.

I'm not so sure, Brent's almost $120 right now and rising!

edit: Greek default has been expected for a long time, I reckon the markets have already factored it in.

Looks like I gave the markets more credit than they deserve, did the sheep not see this wolf already. 8O
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Wed 22 Jun 2011, 19:11:08

TheDude has had the #1 spot five of the last six Wednesday closing prices while WTI varies in the range of ~$93-$99. No need for another scorecard yet. Halftime is almost here and I'll post another scorecard then.

I wonder if there will be any other "shocks to the system" in the second half?
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby jdmartin » Tue 28 Jun 2011, 11:45:07

I don't know, but I've got my Rainbow glasses on :-D
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby kublikhan » Tue 28 Jun 2011, 16:53:01

Have we decided if we want to go with WTI or Brent next year? I could really care less which one we use, but I think we should pick one or the other. It keeps things simple to have one price challenge and there is more prestige to have one winner rather than a "grammy awards for peak oil prediction" where we have one award for WTI , one for brent, one in Rubles, one in Gold ounces, etc.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Tue 28 Jun 2011, 18:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'H')ave we decided if we want to go with WTI or Brent next year? I could really care less which one we use, but I think we should pick one or the other. It keeps things simple to have one price challenge and there is more prestige to have one winner rather than a "grammy awards for peak oil prediction" where we have one award for WTI , one for brent, one in Rubles, one in Gold ounces, etc.


Again, post a web site that allows one to download Brent prices, and we can go with that. pup55 chose WTI for the game because the EIA releases the WTI numbers in an Excel spreadsheet that can be downloaded. This makes verification of the price data possible by any reader.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby kublikhan » Tue 28 Jun 2011, 19:22:05

Doh, my bad. I forgot about that post. WTI works for me :)
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Wed 29 Jun 2011, 16:32:40

The scorecard as of June 28:

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I might add that TheAntiDoomer held the #1 spot for three days this last week while WTI was around $90. Here are the "free throw" stats, that is, the percentage that each leader has held the #1 spot in 2011:

TheDude 38/123 = 31%
Daniel_Plainview 30/123 = 24%
no_name 25/123 = 20%
Midessa 13/123 = 11%
Cog 7/123 = 6%
kublikhan 4/123 = 4%
TheAntiDoomer 3/123 = 2.4%
OilFinder2 2/123 = 1.6%

123 refers to the number of days that the EIA reported WTI data this year. The number of days does not include weekends or holidays.
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