[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pops', 'W')hat a ridiculous thing to say

Have you ever been hungry?

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '[')Even with oil becoming scarse I think that the entire population of the world will be starving before we skip a single meal.

[Hawkcreek]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you have any idea how fossil fuel intensive modern agriculture is? Unless you are envisioning some sort of return to using animals and people working from dawn to dusk doing stoop labor to survive. Even then, how does a cube dweller go from running a computer to managing a team of oxen?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '
')- And lastly the fact that we already manage to import (extort) a lot of food from countries which have severe food problems themselves,

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd what that might be-- cacao beans or something?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd what that might be-- cacao beans or something?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pops', 'W')hat a ridiculous thing to say

Have you ever been hungry?

[Fishman]

Two errors in this thread at present. Initial post discussed corn crop, no corn in europe at that time. It was only a North and South American crop at time.
Second error, Cid posted about Lot and Republicans, couldn't have happened, Lot was a "clinger" of his religion, as Obama would have called him. Cid, everyone knows Dems despise people of faith (well not Muslims that blow themselves and others up, Dems seem enchanted by that group)

As to the famine, yes people starved, distribution of food has been at least one of the great outcomes of the oil age. Cheap food can/could get anywhere. Up until that time you ate predominantly what was grown locally.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')wo errors in this thread at present. Initial post discussed corn crop, no corn in europe at that time. It was only a North and South American crop at time.

[radon]

Russia Lifting Grain-Export Ban May Fail to Alleviate Global Crop Shortage

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussian grain plantings climbed 10 percent to 24 million hectares (59 million acres) and the government has more than 6 million tons of grain in reserves...

Farmers worldwide will reap 667 million tons of wheat in 2011-2012, trailing demand of 669 million tons, the International Grains Council said May 26. The agency pared its production estimate from 672 million tons in April, cutting stockpiles to 185 million tons, the lowest since 2008-2009.
...

In the U.S., the world’s largest wheat shipper, about 45 percent of the winter wheat crop was in very poor or poor condition as of May 22, compared with 44 percent a week earlier, and 9 percent a year earlier, the USDA said May 23. About 54 percent of the U.S. spring-wheat was planted, behind last year’s pace of 89 percent, also the average in the past five years.
France’s soft-wheat crop, the European Union’s largest, will drop 12 percent, and German output will slide 7.2 percent, local forecasters said May 18.
...
About 124 million tons of the 670.5 million tons of wheat demand in 2011-2012 is intended for feed and the rest for food, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said May 11.
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In Canada, planting was also delayed by excessive rains. About 53 percent of the crop was planted, trailing the normal pace of 75 percent, the Canadian Wheat Board said May 24. By contrast, Russia’s Agriculture Ministry estimates the total grain harvest may be 85 million to 90 million tons, up from 60.9 million tons last year.

[Revi]

I read about the Swedish famines in the 1600's. Some of them were caused by the king, to punish parts of the country that rose up against him. They resorted to eating the bark of trees ground into flour many times. There's a reason they moved to the US and Canada. The potato famine is the most recent example of a famine in the west, and they had a place to go to. This time there may not be a place where hungry people are welcome.

[Fishman]

Agreed Tyler. cereal crop more descriptive

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')greed Tyler. cereal crop more descriptive

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you have any idea how fossil fuel intensive modern agriculture is? Unless you are envisioning some sort of return to using animals and people working from dawn to dusk doing stoop labor to survive. Even then, how does a cube dweller go from running a computer to managing a team of oxen?