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Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

Unread postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Fri 20 May 2005, 14:45:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's all a scheme by the Freemasons, in cahoots with the Jews, in cahoots with the Liberals, in cahoots with the Communists, in cahoots with the UN, in cahoots with the aliens, in cahoots with the EU.
"In Cahoots" is one of my favorite terms in the English Language. :)


I can't seem to find a forum where right-wing conspiracies don't come up.

"It's all a scheme to depopulate the Earth, make a secular American state, destroy the Constitution, allow tolerance of homosexuals and other religions, make a Communist World State and give all power to the UN. While somehow making a profit and destroying traditional family values."

Compare this to 2000's conspiracy theory, pre 11/9-

"It's all a scheme to cover up alien abductions, which are being used to breed alien-human hybrids, and the Royal Family are really cold blooded lizards, don't you know?" (Yep, they certainly are.)

Conspiracy theories have become more political, ironic considering that most theorists are semi-fascists right-wing Bible-Bashers and would therefore sympathise with the current US regieme. Aliens are now out of Conspiracy Vogue, as the X Files was cancelled in the wake of 11/9, and the US economic decline made people more keen on finding scapegoats (Jews, Freemasons, Old Hags, the usual).
There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 15:35:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')5N1 spreading among humans?Epidemiology in Vietnam raises the possibility of human-human spread; sequence data to be published soon | By Katherine Schlatter Avian influenza (H5N1) virus is possibly spreading between humans in Vietnam, the World Health Organization (WHO) said in a document made public on its website on Thursday.

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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 15:42:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b][B]WHO Expert Panel: World 1 Step Closer to Killer Flu

By Daniel DeNoon
WebMD Medical News

May 20, 2005 -- The world is one step closer to a devastating killer flu pandemic, World Health Organization (WHO) experts suspect.

Two developments in northern Vietnam spur the renewed concern:

Deadly bird flu infections are being seen in larger clusters of people -- with a much wider age range -- than ever before.
The virus is changing in ways that suggest it may be adapting to humans.
Also of concern is the revelation that one virus isolate was partially resistant to TamiFlu, the only effective treatment for human infection with type H5N1 bird flu.

"All countries, both those affected and unaffected by avian H5N1 … should move ahead as quickly as possible and develop or finalize practical operational pandemic preparedness plans," the panel advised.
Another Tick of the Pandemic Clock

The WHO lists six stages leading from the detection of a new flu virus in animals to a global human flu pandemic. So far, the H5N1 bird flu has been at stage 4: small, highly localized clusters of human infections. At this stage, the virus cannot spread easily from person to person.

The new evidence suggests -- but does not yet prove -- that bird flu may be moving to stage 5. That would mean the virus is becoming increasingly better at person-to-person spread. When stage 6 is reached, there will be rapid human-to-human flu spread and pandemic flu.

It's only a matter of time, says virologist Klaus Stöhr, PhD, DVM, project leader for the WHO Global Influenza Program.

The H5N1 bird flu virus could, theoretically, become a pandemic flu virus overnight. That could happen if a person or animal were infected with a human flu virus and the bird flu virus at the same time. In that case, the viruses could "reassort" -- that is, swap genes.

On the other hand, what seems to be happening is that the H5N1 virus is only gradually learning how to pass more easily from human to human. That, Stöhr says, is giving us time to prepare. But when the virus does learn this trick, it's going to be hard to stop. [poster's comment: I suggest it may already be doing this]

This last happened in 1968, when a new human flu virus appeared in Asia. It took six to nine months to reach the U.S. Today, it would probably take only three months.

Right now, the world has only 2 million doses of a new vaccine against H5N1 bird flu -- all in the U.S. Safety tests aren't yet complete. And it's not even clear whether the vaccine will really work against the strain of flu that eventually emerges.[/B]


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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 15:56:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Dr. Julie Gerberding, who heads the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters, "We agree that the question is not if a pandemic will occur, it is when will the pandemic will occur."

"We don’t know when, but right now the situation that we see in South East Asia, is one that is characterized by a very large amount of virus circulating widely among poultry and waterfowl, and evidence of transmission to people with a very bad outcome," Gerberding said. "So it is a very virulent, deadly form of the virus, and we can’t afford to take the chance that this is the one that will become more transmissible to people, so we’re taking all the steps now that we can to try to prevent it from evolving, but also to be prepared to contain it if it should emerge and protect people more broadly if that becomes necessary."

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When nearly every major health authority is saying the same thing...time to perk up and take notice....

Problem is...it's a matter of timing. Should it develop sooner, the world is woefully unprepared....
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 16:11:05

Take a look at this...then look at the source...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ore Bird Flu Cases in Asia as Health Leaders Warn of Pandemic
Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia report further human cases; total nears 100

By Charlene Porter
Washington File Staff Writer


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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sat 21 May 2005, 16:23:09

Bird flu spreading to China. No reports in humans...yet.
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hina takes emergency measures to prevent spread of bird flu
www.chinaview.cn 2005-05-21 00:00:22

By An Bei

BEIJING, May 21 (Xinhuanet) -- The Chinese Ministry of Agriculture(MOA) Saturday required the whole country to take emergency measures to curb further spreading bird flu shortly after they confirmed that the reported death of migratory birds in West China's Qinghai Province was caused by the deadly bird flu virus.

The ministry said the national bird flu reference laboratory confirmed that the latest death of migratory birds in Niannaisuoma village, in Gangcha County of Qinghai Province, reported on May 4 was caused by the deadly H5N1 strain of the bird flu virus.

Sources from the MOA confirmed that some migratory birds had been killed by the virus migrated from Southeast Asia.

According to the national bird flu reference laboratory, different from that spreading in China, the bird flu virus detected in southeast Asia is more deadly and possibly contains a gene for human contraction.

To bar the further spread of the deadly bird flu virus, the MOAhas asked the whole country to pay keen attention to the new confirmed cases of migratory birds and to take effective measures to curb possibly spreading the epidemic.

The MOA asked veterinarian institutions across China to contact local forestry departments to know about the species and territory of migratory birds in their regions to improve emergency projects and to take prevention and control measures.

The ministry noted that all regions should take essential quarantine measures, prohibiting people to enter the habitats of migratory birds, and stop contact with poultry. Disinfecting measures should be taken effectively to stem the spreading of the virus.

Everyone in the country should enhance monitoring for the epidemic and improve their early-warning system, noted the ministry.

Habitats and routes of migratory birds and regions covered by rivers and lakes, or frequented by water fowl should be taken as the major monitoring points. If spotted, abnormal diseases or deaths among migratory birds should be reported as soon as possible.

The ministry has also called for taking compulsory immunity measures on poultry with habitats and routes of migratory birds and the nearby regions as well as large poultry farms as the emphasis.

According to the ministry, scientific knowledge and measures should be popularized and taken in the move of bird flu prevention and control around the country.

Furthermore, as the prevention and control work for the highly deadly bird flu virus is so arduous and important, it should be taken under the joint efforts of all related departments and institutions, said the ministry.

According to the MOA, there have been no reports of the disease spotted in Qinghai spreading to human beings or fowl.

Qinghai took emergency measures by closing off spots to prevent people and fowl from contacting wild birds. Quarantine measures have also been adopted.

Since China has a mature bird flu diagnosis, monitoring and prevention system, people need not be too worried but should be confident that the new cases can be brought under control as effective measures have been taken by the government, said Cui Shangjin, an expert from the national bird flu reference laboratory.

This is the first report of H5N1 virus detected in China since the country successfully brought 50 cases of bird flu under control last year.

From January 27 to March 16, China reported 49 confirmed bird flu cases in 16 provinces, municipalities or autonomous regions of the country. With measures taken by China's governments at all levels, the deadly virus was curbed in over one month.

The 15th case reported last July in east China's Anhui Province was successfully brought under control pretty soon, too. All those cases had no human contraction in China. Enditem
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2...ent_2985222.htm


The dead H5N1 positive birds in China are from India, where human deaths are being recorded as meningitis / menegococcemia, says Dr. Niman. It is also spreading from wild birds up the Mekong.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')EIJING, May 21 (Xinhuanet)-- The Ministry of Agriculture announced here Saturday that the reported death of migratory birds in West China's Qinghai Province was caused by bird flu.

The ministry said the national bird flu reference laboratory confirmed that the latest death of migratory birds in Gangcha City of Qinghai Province reported on May 4 was caused by the deadly H5N1 virus.

The disease did not spread to human kind and fowl, the ministrysaid.

It said Qinghai had taken emergency measures by closing off the spots to prevent people and fowl from contacting wild birds. Quarantine measures have also been adopted.


The hits just keep on coming....The fact that China can claim to have eradicated bird flu is absurd.

Bird flu is now endemic (deeply rooted) in wild and domestic fowl and in many other animals like pigs. It will will be virtually impossible to wipe out, unless all animals, and I mean ALL animals, are slaughtered ( I am not suggesting that this be done, it's just a fact I think). I foresee that unless an effective vacinne is developed (and distributed - big difference) against the latest H5N1 incarnations in time, a pandemic is indeed inevitable...and that's precisely what the experts are saying. We may be out of time.
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sat 21 May 2005, 17:13:19

Bird flu infected a few Japanese this past December I just came across..

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst human case of bird flu hits Japan
22 Dec 2004

Authorities in Japan have confirmed the country's first human case of bird flu. Four other people are being tested for suspected bird (avian) flu. Authorities say that none of the five patients is critical.

Four of them worked at a poultry farm near Kyoto. The same farm had a bird flu outbreak in February this year (no humans then, just chickens). The other person is a city official who was involved in disinfecting the farm during the outbreak.

Blood tests have shown that all five have tested positive for bird flu.

The city employee only suffered from a mild sore throat - he is fine now.

Health officials say the five people do not pose a public health risk - they have not developed any serious problems. Humans with bird flu cannot infect other humans.

Health experts around the world fear that one day the virus could mutate and then spread from human to human. They say the most likely way this could happen would be for a pig to become infected, the pig would then infect a human with a mutated virus, the human would then infect other humans.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical ... wsid=18203


Time for another map.... ;)

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Let's see...South and North Vietnam, China, India, Japan, Hong Kong, Indonesia.......
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sat 21 May 2005, 18:13:11

Here's OSHA's guidance for protecting against bird flu

OSHA Guidelines to Protect Workers from Avain Influenza
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sat 21 May 2005, 19:51:18

If what Dr. Niman says is correct, that the cases of mengititus/menegococcemia, then we are in for a heap of trouble sooner than we think...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hree more deaths, meningococcemia afflicts 351
New Delhi, May 21 (PTI): Three more deaths were reported due to suspected meningococemia in the capital today taking up the toll to 33, while the total number affected by the disease swelled to 351.

One death each was reported from Lok Nayak Hospital, Lady Hardinge Hospital and Sanjay Gandhi Hospital, a release from the MCD said here.

With these, the death toll has risen to 33 and the total number of people suspected to be infected by the bacteria causing Meningococcemia has risen to 351, including 14 new cases reported since yesterday.

Ninety people are admitted at various hospitals across the city, while 228 have been discharged so far, it said.

Hindu News

From these figures, that would give us a a 9.4% mortality rate, not including those who may die but haven't yet...

6.5 Billion x 25% x 9.4% = 152 Million people...

some news earlier in the month on the meningitus outbreak in India

Rare bacterial meningitis infections continue to rise in Indian capital

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')acterial meningitis outbreak in Delhi causes panic
Thu May 5, 2005 12:08 PM BST
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NEW DELHI (Reuters) - A strain of bacterial meningitis has killed nine people in the Indian capital and possibly affected 42 others, sending thousands of panicky people rushing to hospitals to get themselves and their children vaccinated.

A government statement said 51 suspected cases of Menigococcal disease had been reported in New Delhi in the past few weeks, but added there was no need for panic as the disease could be treated with antibiotics and there was enough stock of medicine.

The disease, spread through direct contact with infected droplets from the mouth or nose, has returned to the city of 14 million people after two decades.

"It's a cyclical disease. Its symptoms are high grade fever, loss of consciousness and haemorrhage and it can lead to multi-organ failure if not treated in time," Shashi Khare of the National Institute of Communicable Diseases told Reuters on Thursday.

The last major epidemic in India occurred in 1999 with 686 deaths and over 7,400 reported cases. The capital was not affected by that outbreak.

This week, scores of people have been lining up at hospitals to get themselves vaccinated against the disease and authorities have advised people to report to the nearest health facility in case of a sudden rise in fever with headaches, nausea or neck pain.

Anxious parents were rushing their children to pediatricians to get them immunised. Infants are particularly susceptible to the disease.

Meningitis is an infection of the fluid in a person's spinal cord and of the fluid that surrounds the brain.

Bacterial meningitis outbreak in Delhi causes panic


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')gt;> Two more people died of meningococcemia in the capital yesterday.

The disease is displaying characteristics never seen before.

It is supposed to occur among children aged between 1-5, but the worst hit are adult males in the 15-30 age group.....

There have been 260 suspected cases and 20 deaths in the space of one month. Though these figures have alarmed some people, the government maintains the situation is well under control. <<

The meningococcemia / meningitis outbreak in India has some striking parallels with the outbreak in the Philippines. There have been no reports on bird flu tests on these patients, even though the infections are clustered, spreading rapidly, and affecting an unusual age group. Previously, WHO had said that clusters of unusual deaths would be tested for H5N1. There is little evidence for such tests, and there are significant concerns about the sensitivity of such tests. Moreover, meningococcemia is a known secondary infection of influenza.

Bird Flu Causing Meningococcemia / Meningitis Cases in India?


and the latest from Dr. Niman:

H5N1 Migration and Meningitis in India
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 22 May 2005, 02:44:38

Here's kind of a freaky cool site:

FluWatch

USATrendMap

Still interesting even though latest data is from 2002.

This is also interesting-

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which is from the CDC site:

CDC Weekly Flu Update

Here's another pic from that site:

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and some recently updated info here:

Information About Influenza Pandemics

which included this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tages of a Pandemic
The World Health Organization (WHO) has developed a global influenza preparedness plan, which defines the stages of a pandemic, outlines WHO’s role and makes recommendations for national measures before and during a pandemic. The phases are:

Interpandemic period

Phase 1: No new influenza virus subtypes have been detected in humans. An influenza virus subtype that has caused human infection may be present in animals. If present in animals, the risk of human infection or disease is considered to be low.

Phase 2: No new influenza virus subtypes have been detected in humans. However, a circulating animal influenza virus subtype poses a substantial risk of human disease.

Pandemic alert period

Phase 3: Human infection(s) with a new subtype, but no human-to-human spread, or at most rare instances of spread to a close contact.

Phase 4: Small cluster(s) with limited human-to-human transmission but spread is highly localized, suggesting that the virus is not well adapted to humans.

Phase 5: Larger cluster(s) but human-to-human spread still localized, suggesting that the virus is becoming increasingly better adapted to humans, but may not yet be fully transmissible (substantial pandemic risk).

Pandemic period

Phase 6: Pandemic: increased and sustained transmission in general population.

Notes: The distinction between phase 1 and phase 2 is based on the risk of human infection or disease resulting from circulating strains in animals. The distinction is based on various factors and their relative importance according to current scientific knowledge. Factors may include pathogenicity in animals and humans, occurrence in domesticated animals and livestock or only in wildlife, whether the virus is enzootic or epizootic, geographically localized or widespread, and/or other scientific parameters.

The distinction between phase 3, phase 4 and phase 5 is based on an assessment of the risk of a pandemic. Various factors and their relative importance according to current scientific knowledge may be considered. Factors may include rate of transmission, geographical location and spread, severity of illness, presence of genes from human strains (if derived from an animal strain), and/or other scientific parameters


and this

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nfluenza Pandemics During the 20th Century
During the 20th century, the emergence of new influenza A virus subtypes caused three pandemics, all of which spread around the world within 1 year of being detected.

1918-19, "Spanish flu," [A (H1N1)], caused the highest number of known influenza deaths: more than 500,000 people died in the United States, and up to 50 million people may have died worldwide. Many people died within the first few days after infection, and others died of complications later. Nearly half of those who died were young, healthy adults. Influenza A (H1N1) viruses still circulate today after being introduced again into the human population in the 1970s.
1957-58, "Asian flu," [A (H2N2)], caused about 70,000 deaths in the United States. First identified in China in late February 1957, the Asian flu spread to the United States by June 1957.
1968-69, " Hong Kong flu," [A (H3N2)], caused about 34,000 deaths in the United States. This virus was first detected in Hong Kong in early 1968 and spread to the United States later that year. Influenza A (H3N2) viruses still circulate today.


and this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')reparing for the Next Pandemic

Many scientists believe it is only a matter of time until the next influenza pandemic occurs. The severity of the next pandemic cannot be predicted, but modeling studies suggest that its effect in the United States could be severe. In the absence of any control measures (vaccination or drugs), it has been estimated that in the United States a “medium–level” pandemic could cause 89,000 to 207,000 deaths, between 314,000 and 734,000 hospitalizations, 18 to 42 million outpatient visits, and another 20 to 47 million people being sick. Between 15% and 35% of the U.S. population could be affected by an influenza pandemic, and the economic impact could range between $71.3 and $166.5 billion.

Recent examples of avian influenza outbreaks and infections in Hong Kong in 1997, 1998, and 2002 and the ongoing widespread outbreaks of avian influenza among poultry in Asia, show the importance of preparing for a pandemic. It has been 36 years since the last pandemic.

Influenza pandemics are different from many of the threats for which public health and the health-care system are currently planning:

The pandemic will last much longer than most other emergency events and may include “waves” of influenza activity separated by months (in 20th century pandemics, a second wave of influenza activity occurred 3 to 12 months after the first wave).
The numbers of health-care workers and first responders available to work can be expected to be reduced; they will be at high risk of illness through exposure in the community and in health-care settings, and some may have to miss work to care for ill family members.
Resources in many locations could be limited because of how widespread an influenza pandemic would be.


I wish I could more cheerful... :cry:

Ok, I found one:

Don't Worry Be Happy (flash)

:)

PS. Is anyone still reading this? :-D
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Unread postby blackaddr » Sun 22 May 2005, 10:45:24

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'P')S. Is anyone still reading this? :-D


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Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sun 22 May 2005, 16:26:33

Yes. Please keep updating. :)
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 22 May 2005, 16:42:11

yes. I would also be interested in any Canadian flu maps you come across.
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 22 May 2005, 16:50:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o.


You funny!

And now for some equal time:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]No proof bird flu can be transmitted from human to human, says WHO
22 May 2005

We still do not have conclusive proof that avian (bird) flu can be transmitted from human-to-human, said Peter Cordingley, from the World Health Organization. He said there are some cases that seem odd, but there is no compelling case.

Medical News Today[/B]

yet in nearly the same breath they say:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]WHO Urges Countries to Prepare for Influenza Pandemic
By Lisa Schlein
22 May 2005

The World Health Organization is urging countries around the world to prepare now for a possible influenza pandemic. An expert committee of health officials recommends that the World Health Assembly's 192-member states take steps now to prepare for an illness which, it says, has the potential of killing millions of people around the world.

VOA News


while the hits still keep in coming:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]New Bird Flu Cases Northern and Central Vietnam
Recombinomics Commentary
May 22, 2005

>> Nguyen Tien Cuu, 46, from Binh Kieu Commune in the Khoai Chau District of Hung Yen Province, about 40km west of Ha Noi, arrived in a very critical condition with lung inflammation and weak kidneys, says the Health Ministry.

He died on Thursday.

Two other patients undergoing treatment at the institute have tested positive for bird flu.

One is from central Thanh Hoa Province and the other from northern Vinh Phuc Province………

Cuu's family had a small flock of chickens and ducks but all the birds were still very strong.

There were no chickens or ducks with the virus in the district, said Luong. <<

The number of new H5N1 confirmed cases in northern or central Vietnam continue to increase. The most recent cases are males between 46-58 years old, which are distinctly different than the fatal cases in southern Vietnam and Cambodia.

These demographic differences correlate with genetic differences, which place isolates from northern Vietnam with 2005 isolates from Thailand and isolates from southern Vietnam with isolates from Cambodia.

An increasing number of cases from northern Vietnam have no clear link to infected birds, and Thailand has yet to report a human case this season. These 2005 cases may be more difficult to detect with primers based on 2004 H5N1 sequences, since there has been several antigenic changes in HA and nucleotide changes have not been reported, but a expected to be significantly higher than antigenic change. Nucleotide changes in regions coding for primers would diminish or abolish binding, which would generate weak positives or false negatives.

Recombinomics


Ok, I KNOW this will be WAY over the top, but I just couldn't resist....

Terminator (wav file)

Hell, even the NY Daily News reports NYC is drawing up plans....

Bird-flu crisis plan

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ity sees lethal bug's arrival as inevitable

By PAUL H.B. SHIN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Convinced it's only a matter of time before a new flu strain capable of killing millions reaches New York, city health officials have started drawing up a crisis plan, the Daily News has learned.

NY Daily News

Those smart or careful enough to read between the lines here....
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 22 May 2005, 17:04:58

Oh, the mixed messages we receive....

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A bird flu patient lies under a respirator at Hanoi's Institute for Tropical Diseases. A World Health Organisation study in Vietnam has raised the possibility that bird flu is becoming more capable of human-to-human transmission, the WHO said. [AFP]

Bird flu capable of human-to-human infection
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 22 May 2005, 17:09:38

Here's another site to bookmark if you wish:

http://www.birdflutoday.com/

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I'm not going to stop eating chicken, though! Properly cooked, it will do no harm...

Besides, it tastes like...chicken!
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 22 May 2005, 17:17:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')es. I would also be interested in any Canadian flu maps you come across.


FluWatch- Public Health Agency of Canada

where you'll find things like this:

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and this is their influenza mapping page (couldn't post as image):

Canada Influenza Tracking Map

The maps are even animated to show progression of infections...
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Sun 22 May 2005, 17:28:12

Let's not forgot about our European cousins:

Welcome to the website of the
European Influenza Surveillance Scheme (EISS)

EISS

VERY informative, map page here:

EISS Map Page (Interactive)

which can also map historic influenza geographical spread AND intensity. COOL!
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