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THE Terror / Terrorism Thread pt 4 (merged)

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Re: Liberty Dollar Called Terrorism

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 04:49:33

It's a hell of a system.

If you hold paper currencies, they ALL eventually get destroyed by inflation. Interest gets taxed and doesn't keep up once hyperinflation sets in.

If you hold real (tangible) assets, you risk them being confiscated (example: gold bullion in 1933 -- who knows what they will pull next time, given how intrusive the state now is). You also risk getting hurt badly if there is a true deflationary depression. If there is lots of inflation, you get heavily taxed when you sell them back into the (required for legal trade) fiat currency.

So, it's not difficult to see that the system is set up so government gradually confiscates the wealth of almost everybody (except the super-rich and powerful). Poor people get hurt the most. And yet -- the poor tend to want more government -- thinking they will "protect" them. Naturally, government promulgates this idea constantly -- both left and right wing.

Again -- it's a hell of a system. That's why I generally vote libertarian. In the words of Ayn Rand's John Galt of Atlas Shrugged, my stance toward government is "Get out of my way!".
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Re: Liberty Dollar Called Terrorism

Unread postby paimei01 » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 16:14:54

Of course he is a terrorist. The world is run by bankers. The money creators. He ranks as a number one terrorist for them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production. If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.


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Two documentaries, I thought they were common knowledge:

Money as debt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 544&hl=en#

The money masters
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Re: Liberty Dollar Called Terrorism

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 22:52:18

The guy was trying to pass off his own creations as currency. That's counterfeiting. The government doesn't like counterfeiters, that's the Fed's job. :-D
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Re: Liberty Dollar Called Terrorism

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 23:36:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he guy was trying to pass off his own creations as currency. That's counterfeiting. The government doesn't like counterfeiters, that's the Fed's job. :-D


Sorry. What was that? You telling me that if I will print a bunch of papers saying 1 Pretorian.. 5 pretorians.. 20 pretorians... and will guarantie that 1 pretorian can be exchanged anytime for 31.1035 grams of silver, or 100 pounds of well-seasoned humanure,(you know how much bullshit is sells for in Home Depot? $2.5 for 10 pounds and my shit beats it in every nutritional aspect) whatever, I will be a counterfeiter, or a domestic terrorist?
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Re: Liberty Dollar Called Terrorism

Unread postby radon » Mon 04 Apr 2011, 00:16:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'B')ernard von NotHaus, US political prisoner.

http://www.gadaily.com/index.php/opinio ... -terrorism


The linked story says that "The coining of this “Liberty Dollar” is most likely a part of protests against the printing of paper money and the devaluation of the dollar."

The Russian story on the subject (linked in Mr. Orlov's blog) says that Mr. von NotHaus distributed coins made of silver, gold, platinum and copper, and issued paper notes whose value was linked to that of silver, that had the "$" sign and words "dollar" and "Trust in God" on them. This comes to the question what was his real objectives. If he was really concerned with instability of the dollar and genuinely intended to provide people with an alternative saving/payment media, he could call his coins "medals", and his paper "bonds" or "promissory notes" and avoid any placing attributes that could lead to confusing of his makings with the country's legitimate currency. With the financial structuring practices being so sophisticated in the US, the court would then probably have to go in great lengths to prove that he is trying to issue a shadow currency. After all, the banks issue asset-backed securities on an ongoing basis, and this is essentially the same thing - in the case at hand the value of paper is derived from the price of silver. Back in Russia the US dollars served as an alternative currency (if not dominant at times) when the roubles were seen as untrustworthy, but in the US this is apparently not an option :)

But as can be seen from the articles he seems to have been abusing essential attributes of the country's currency to advance his undertaking. This indeed looks like counterfeiting, against which any sensible government should take an action. If that gentleman had placed an order for smartphones with a Chinese factory, labeled them "Liberty iPhones" and started distributing them to consumers, than Apple would probably have taken a prompt action against him for the trademark rights violation. The government perhaps have even more reasons to do so with respect to something called "Liberty dollars".
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Re: Liberty Dollar Called Terrorism

Unread postby sjn » Mon 04 Apr 2011, 01:46:07

The US hardly has a monopoly on the "$ sign", or the word "Dollar". "Liberty" clearly isn't something the US is even familiar with anymore! :(
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Outbreak of terror fears, false alarms in US

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 09 May 2011, 17:20:58

Holy cow, all this news out just today:

Two tunnel 'breaches' cause scare in NYC...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tunnel_punk_terror_scares_clfEzPGLRb3uHPN3pMj5HI

SUV 'bomb' scare ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/05/09/2011-05-09_bomb_scare_in_bx_is_2nd_of_weekend.html

Threats Divert Planes in Three Separate Incidents...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/09/national/main20060992.shtml

Passengers, flight crew subdue man banging on cockpit door...
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/05/09/passengers-and-flight-crew-subdue-unruly-man-on-sfo-bound-plane/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Terror-Filled Flight To Chicago Diverted To St. Louis

CHICAGO (CBS) – A flight from Houston to Chicago was diverted to St. Louis on Sunday after an unruly passenger, described as a 34-year-old Burbank, Ill. man, tried to open a plane door during the flight.

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“I assumed the worst, that it was some sort of terrorist attack,” she told CBS 2’s Mike Puccinelli.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/05/08/houston-to-chicago-flight-diverted-to-st-louis/


Threatening Note In Bathroom Departing Detroit...
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/08/threatening-note-diverts-plane-departing-detroit/

'Are we gonna blow up?'
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Passengers-on-Delta-flight-feared-explosion-121481589.html?dr

Dallas Train Station Evacuated: Man Asked For Help Carrying Packages...
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/05/07/bomb-threat-forces-evacuation-of-mockingbird-dart-station/

Saudi Student Charged with university bomb threat...
http://newsblog.projo.com/2011/05/bristol-police-charge-saudi-ma.html

4 Arrested For Videotaping TSA Line At Denver...
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/05/08/4-arrested-after-suspicious-incident-at-dia/

TSA searches baby:
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg611/scaled.php?tn=0&server=611&filename=lb9nk.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

I haven't read all through all these articles. It mostly looks like false alarms / people acting very crazy and freaking out. For example, one is about a Saudi college student who said he'd "blow the walls out" in an argument over cafeteria food.

The NYC subway scare seemed to be caused by hipster "urban explorers:"
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/05/09/news/photos_stories/william_west--300x300.jpg[/img]
END OF LINE: A defiant William West (above) and his fellow "explorers," Eric Ruggiero, Jacob Bloom and Braiden O'Sullivan, are led to Central Booking yesterday after they were caught in the Second Avenue Subway.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/tunnel_punk_terror_scares_clfEzPGLRb3uHPN3pMj5HI


With a lot of these "terror" articles it's hard to figure out if there's something to it or just craziness. Like the TSA arrests.. article says one guy was videotaping three others so they arrested all four people. Apparently one or more didn't have a proper boarding pass.. but the article just isn't specific, were they family members / friends? Were they muslim?

And the article about the passenger trying to open a door on the plane.. no indication there if it's terrorism or somebody just going crazy on a plane (which happens).
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Re: Outbreak of terror fears, false alarms in US

Unread postby Novus » Mon 09 May 2011, 17:30:48

I fear more for our liberties disappearing than any actual terrorist attack.
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Re: Outbreak of terror fears, false alarms in US

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 09 May 2011, 17:42:15

OBL i sdead , but the seeds of his terror live on! So glad I don't live in the US!
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Re: Outbreak of terror fears, false alarms in US

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 09 May 2011, 18:45:12

Senator Chuck Schumer (Dem -- New York) wants a "no fly" list for trains.
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Re: Outbreak of terror fears, false alarms in US

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 09 May 2011, 18:51:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'S')enator Chuck Schumer (Dem -- New York) wants a "no fly" list for trains.
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That makes sense, Plant. I assumed they already did that.. why allow someone on the terrorist no-fly list get on a train instead?

Incidentally though they also need to make it easier for innocent folks from Topeka Kansas get their names OFF the list. They also shouldn't put people on the list just because they do something like make a documentary about power plants or whatnot (don't have a link, but I remember there's a legit documentary filmmaker who ended up on the list).
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Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Cog » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 14:37:20

Well there we have it. All the excuses we need to start another war in the Mid-East. Stay tuned. Fox News, as usual, is calling this an act of war. Flush the bombers and let loose the dogs of war. ABC News
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')BI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a "significant terrorist act in the United States" tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today.

The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in an announcement today that the plan was "conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran" and called it a "flagrant" violation of U.S. and international law.
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 14:48:42

Nuke'em from orbit.
Its the only way to be sure.
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Pops » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 15:17:53

The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 15:37:53

Fearless Iranians from Hell: "Blow up the Embassy"

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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 15:52:01

Iran also supplied many of the IEDs used to kill our soldiers in Iraq, and now is supplying IEDs being used for attacks on our soldiers in Afganistan.

On the other hand, Iran issued a statement last week in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement. :roll:
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Fishman » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 18:22:44

Strange, O knew about this for some time but this comes out just as it looks like Holder is getting slammed for Fast and Furious. Wag the Dog?
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 18:53:42

There's oil in them thar sands. We have now become what we have purported to hate. Think about it. We are selling guns to the Mexican cartels by the truck load to destabilize the Mexican government and murder its people so that the left wingers here in the United States can push for stricter gun laws and shut down gun shows.

We have upended the rule of law. We have suspended the most fundamental right of the accused, a trial by jury. We have a caped crusader in the White House that now deals out vigilante justice. This president has created a tool to be used against the American people.

Tools are not to be taken lightly. Consider for a moment the lowly hammer, a tool designed to drive nails. Once created it makes an excellent weapon. In gifted hands, it can extract the most desired confession.

For those in power, the Constitution is nothing but a scrap of paper. We the people have no rights and no protection. We live in a lawless state.
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 19:17:53

Iran did not attack anybody in well over 300 years. How many independent countries were attacked by USA during the last 300 years?
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Re: Iran plots terror attack on US soil

Unread postby careinke » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 19:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'S')trange, O knew about this for some time but this comes out just as it looks like Holder is getting slammed for Fast and Furious. Wag the Dog?


I'm surprised Holder didn't sell the bombs to them (just to follow the trail of course).
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