[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'A')ll he needs to do is to produce some evidence. Lots of people will pay attention.

A engineering blueprint schematic of their spaceships, a alien corpse, fecal remains, alien pets dropped off in the Amazon, a description of their cultural and economic structure, how about plans to their Faster than light warp drive.

I'm all for mining hydrocarbons on Titan, I would be thrilled to see the details- produce the evidence.

[Carlhole]

Jesus and all that is bunch of BS. But there actually IS something to the UFO phenomenon.

UFO National Press Club UFO Disclosure Conference (27 Sep 2010)

[vision-master]

Partial list of Watchers
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')There are 20 leaders in the Book of Enoch also called 1 Enoch the section that mentions them reads:

“ 7. And these are the names of their leaders: Sêmîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. 8. These are their chiefs of tens." - R. H. Charles translation, The Book of the Watchers, Chapter VI. ”

These are the leaders of 200 angels in 1 Enoch that are turned into fallen Angels due to their taking wives, mating with human women, and teaching forbidden knowledge.

Araqiel (also Arakiel, Araqael, Araciel, Arqael, Sarquael, Arkiel, Arkas) [8] taught humans the signs of the earth. However, in the Sibylline Oracles, Araqiel is referred to not as a fallen angel, or Watcher, but as one of the 5 angels who lead the souls of men to judgement, the other 4 being Ramiel, Uriel, Samiel, and Azazel.
Armaros (also Amaros) in Enoch I taught men the resolving of enchantments.
Azazel[9] taught men to make knives, swords, shields, and how to devise ornaments and cosmetics.
Gadriel taught the art of cosmetics.
Baraqel (Baraqiel) taught men astrology[10]
Bezaliel mentioned in Enoch I, left out of most translations due to damaged manuscripts and problematic transmission of the text.
Chazaqiel (sometimes Ezeqeel) taught men the signs of the clouds (meteorology).[8]
Kokabiel (also Kakabel, Kochbiel, Kokbiel, Kabaiel, and Kochab),[11] is a high-ranking, holy angel but, in general apocryphal lore and also in Enoch I, he is a fallen Watcher, resident of nether realms, and commands 365,000 surrogate spirits to do his bidding. Among other duties, he instructs his fellows in astrology.
Penemue[12] "taught mankind the art of writing with ink and paper," and taught "the children of men the bitter and the sweet and the secrets of wisdom."
Sariel (also Suriel) taught mankind about the courses of the moon (at one time regarded as forbidden knowledge).[13]
Samyaza (also Shemyazaz, Shamazya, Semiaza, Shemhazi, Semyaza and Amezyarak) is one of the leaders of the fall from heaven.[14]
Shamsiel, once a guardian of Eden,[15] served as one of the 2 chief aides to the archangel Uriel (the other aide being Hasdiel) when Uriel bore his standard into battle, and is the head of 365 legions of angels and also crowns prayers, accompanying them to the 5th heaven. He is referred to[16] as one of the Watchers. He is a fallen angel who teaches the signs of the sun.[17]

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', '[')b]Why the UFO Cover-Up Will Continue

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he push is on around the world to get governments to come clean on UFOs. Britain, France, Brazil and others have released some files. But getting the governments to tell us what is happening in our skies will not happen.

Most people in the world believe that we are not being told the truth about UFOs. But for some people, they must have governments tell them that there is something more to the UFO phenomenon. I guess that will make it real for them, even though their governments lie and engage in deception continually.

Think about it.

Even after a massive UFO sighting in Phoenix in 1997 by many of its inhabitants. The US government acted as if nothing happened.

....The Phoenix Lights (sometimes referred to as the "lights over Phoenix") were a series of widely sighted optical phenomena (generally unidentified flying objects) that occurred in the skies over the U.S. states of Arizona and Nevada, and the Mexican state of Sonora on March 13, 1997. A repeat of the lights occurred February 6, 2007, and was filmed by the local Fox News TV station....(source: wikipedia)

After a city of 2 million and a great deal of the American Southwest had an incident involving an armada of UFOs, there was no word from the American government on what happened.

[vision-master]

Proven by who?

[Cog]

Put down the bong VM. You are already high enough.

[vision-master]

Dude, the 20th century is gone.

"European scholarship regards human civilization as a recent progression starting yesterday with the Fiji islander, and ending today with Rockefeller, conceiving ancient culture as necessarily half savage culture." It is a superstition of modern thought that the march of knowledge has always been linear." "Our vision of "prehistory" is terribly inadequate. We have not yet rid our minds from the hold of a one-and-only God or one-and-only Book, and now a one-and-only Science."
Shri Aurobindo Ghosh

“Can we not read into them some justification for the belief that some former forgotten race of men attained not only to the knowledge we have so recently won, but also to the power that is not yet ours?”
Frederick Soddy - Interpretation of Radium

“No question can be more interesting in the present circumstances of the world than India ’s contribution to the science of aeronautics. There are numerous illustrations in our vast Puranic and epic literature to show how well and wonderfully the ancient Indians conquered the air. "
Ramchandra Dikshitar

This wonderful epic of the ‘Ramayana’ the inspiration of the world’s great classic literature, intrigues us most today by its frequent allusions to aerial vehicles and annihilating bombs, which we consider to be inventions of our own 20th century impossible in the far past. Students of Sanskrit literature soon revise their preconceived ideas and find that the heroes of Ancient India were apparently equipped with aircraft and missiles more sophisticated than those we boast today."
Walter Raymond Drake


Flight Route of Rama
(image source: Vimana in Ancient India - By Dileep Kumar Kanjilal).

Living in the Past

[TheAntiDoomer]

I love that VM believe in Aliens, it means that he believes in interstellar travel, which means he believes that physics allows for exotic matter that allows almost limitless cheap energy, which makes VM the biggest Cornie on this site!

[vision-master]

Yup, free unlimited energy is just around the corner. The horse an buggy day's are just about over.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', ' ')The account of a "famous astronaut" is not nearly enough to convince me of so enormous a claim as alien visitation. There are lots of famous people who believe that God talks to them, and I remain unconvinced that this is so also. I need some good clean footage, minimum. The fact that there isn't any, in an age when so many people have high quality cameras on them at all times, and practically every major news story is filmed from multiple angles by Joe Public, is, at the least, interesting IMO.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Koyaanisqatsi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', ' ')The account of a "famous astronaut" is not nearly enough to convince me of so enormous a claim as alien visitation. There are lots of famous people who believe that God talks to them, and I remain unconvinced that this is so also. I need some good clean footage, minimum. The fact that there isn't any, in an age when so many people have high quality cameras on them at all times, and practically every major news story is filmed from multiple angles by Joe Public, is, at the least, interesting IMO.

[Sixstrings]

Saw this over on Tickerforum of all places, in breaking news. It's legit. Apparently the FBI has a new program to release files of public interest. Here's the FBI link:

http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20H ... f%201/view

Pretty darn amazing.. this is exactly the same story we've heard all these years, verbatim. Thing is though this is official, these are FBI files. I can't imagine special agents sending in a report as a hoax.. don't think J. Edgar Hoover would have appreciated a joke like that.

So.. what to make of this? It's official, from the FBI. Only way to debunk this would be to say it was some kind of disinformation program at the time, but then the public wouldn't be privy to internal reports like this. You could say this was disinformation meant to fall into Soviet hands, but that's a stretch.. don't think that Cold War stuff started as early as '49, just 4 years after WWII.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01869/ufoDoc_1869337f.jpg[/img]

'Exploding UFOs and alien landings' in secret FBI files

Secret FBI files have been released detailing how US officials saw a UFO explode over Utah – and aliens land near Roswell in New Mexico.

A declassified document from 1949 tells how three men, on patrols miles apart, each reported seeing a UFO break up over mountains north of Salt Lake City.

Their extraordinary accounts were sent to Edgar Hoover, the director of the FBI, in a memo titled "Flying Discs".

The file said that a policeman, a highway patrolman and an army guard all "saw a silver coloured object high up approaching the mountains at Sardine Canyon" that "appeared to explode in a rash of fire."

"Several residents [reported] seeing what appeared to be two aerial explosions, followed by falling object," it said.
The file is one of thousands of previously unreleased files that the FBI has made public in a new online resource called The Vault.

Among them is a 1950 statement from special agent Guy Hottel, which seems to provide evidence for the theory that aliens landed at Roswell, New Mexico.

In the memo, Agent Hottel said that "three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico".

He wrote that the flying saucers were "described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter."

In a statement that is reminiscent of the hit 1990s TV programme The X-Files, he went on to describe the alien life forms inside the UFOs.
"Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall," he wrote.

The bodies were "dressed in a metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots."

Agent Hottel suggested that the UFOs had crashed in New Mexico because high-powered government radar had interfered with their operating systems.

The release of the files are likely to intensify the claims of conspiracy theorists who believe the US government covered up alien landings.
Roswell became infamous after reports that a flying saucer had crashed in the desert nearby in 1947. The bodies of aliens were said to have been recovered by the military.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... files.html

[vision-master]

Our Founding Fathers talked about UFO's back in the 1700's.

Aliens and the Third Reich History Channel

[pup55]

Why did they quit exploding in 1950? Why have they not exploded recently?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'W')hy did they quit exploding in 1950? Why have they not exploded recently?

[pedalling_faster]

it's not a subject i thought about much, except for liking sci-fi movies.

in the 1990's i belonged to a book-reading group, we read mostly history books. a few of the members believed in UFO's but i didn't take them entirely seriously.

in 1994 i met somebody who worked both for the US government and as an extremely skilled network tech. he told me he belonged to a UFO abduction support group.

his down-to-earth-ness and extreme technical skill got me thinking. i read Timothy Goode's book, "Above Top Secret", which is based entirely on reports filed by uniformed service personnel (police, fire, military).

in January 1995 the San Jose Mercury News had a press release very similar to the recent FBI disclosure. a very short press release by the US Air Force, in the front section, the "A" section, midway through.

"the US Air Force admits recovering remains of an object considered to be non-terrestrial in origin. the object is considered to be manufactured in origin."

that really got me thinking, like, "maybe there's a there there."

[Lore]

Sometimes, loony people can seem very sane. It’s part of their madness to manipulate people by acting normal.

[FranklySpeaking]

I know someone will inevitably call me a loon, but I was one of over 800 people who actually saw a very low-flying UFO over the now inactive Ramey AFB in 1976. Actually at that time the Air Force has been long gone and I was attached to U.S. Coast Guard Air Station Borinquen. I am a retired HH53 (Jolly Green Giant) Helo pilot. Here is what I and many others recall and NOTHING any government ever tells me can change what we all saw that evening and which was reported on the front page of El Reportero the following morning.

It was a beautiful summer evening on the Northwest tip of Puerto Rico, and many off-duty Coast Guard and civilians were hanging out at a club on base called The Arbolita - which was a huge 200 year-old ficus tree located about 1,000 meters from the Borinquen Lighthouse facility. We were all enjoying the local ladies and sipping a few cervezas (beer) listening to the local salsa music when all the outdoor lights began to flicker and we all heard a very low pitch humming noise. Actually I don't ever recall hearing anything with such a low pitch frequency that was actually pulsating between two tones. The sky was cloudless but without a moon and we soon realized the source of the sound was very close - directly overhead.

When we all went out from under the huge tree to investigate we saw a huge and I mean huge disc shaped aircraft - dark metalic gray in color about 1,000 feet overhead slowly rotating at about 3-5 rpm and moving West to East at about 10-20 mph. I estimate the altitude of the UFO to have been 800 feet AGL.

Without exaggeration, this craft measured about 350-500 feet in diameter. There were always disputes amongst us about the size, but it was overwhelmingly large. We argued about the size only because it was a moonless night and we could only guess at the altitude. This took place between 10:30 pm and 11:00 pm in the evening. Yes, we were drinking, but not the duty crew that was on radio stand-by, and none of us were actually drunk.

Although there were no visible lights, there was a greenish-blue glow of light around the perimeter of the ship. Some local took some photographs and after about 2 minutes, this craft instantly accelerated and climbed out of sight northwards at an incredible speed that I can only guess was perhaps Mach 2 and it did so almost silently. It climbed at a rate of about 2,000 fps and was completely gone out of site in about five seconds. It did give off a greater glow as it accelerated, but only about a 20% increase in brightness.

Less than ten minutes later the place was swarming with local police and all of us received radio messages to report to the command center on base. The very next day, seven Air Force personnel from Wright Patterson AFB were flown in on a C-141 - Two colonels, a captain, an E8 and three guys in civies.

Since we resided on the base itself in military quarters, we did not know that the local police had locked the gates the night before and did not allow the civilians to leave until they were questioned. The local who took the photos was a man who owned the local Esso Gas Station on Route 2 named "Raul". I saw him about a month later when I had to fill up my tank at his gas station, and he told me the guys from Wright Patterson took his camera from him and he asked my help to help him get it back. I made some inquiries but nobody even returned my calls. I retired quite a few years ago as an O-5.

I have never seen this event documented anywhere, yet as I said there were about 800 people who watched it unfold. The entire event lasted about 4-6 minutes. The Wright Patterson crew stayed at Ramey for about a week and kept to themselves. So, this FBI report you fellas are talking about, does not surprise me one bit. Upon the graves of my parents, I swear to you the above is absolutely true. We were forbidden to give interviews or talk about the event by our CO Captain Tom Lutton.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Major problem with UFO is that it seems implausible that some alien civilization managed to fly a craft for light years only to stupidly crash it on the Earth.

[Green Energy Reports]

Sometimes even a monkey falls out of a tree. From wherever they come from, one thing is for sure, they are not perfect beings. They too apparently make mistakes or miscalculations, or suffer equipment failure,or perhaps - "pilot error"?