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A.D. vs. C.E. or "What year is this?"

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What year is this?

2005 A.D.
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2005 C.E.
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4702 (Chinese calendar)
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5765 (Hebrew calendar)
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Uh, I don't know what year it is, man.
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Total votes : 31

Unread postby k_semler » Wed 18 May 2005, 23:40:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'E')xcept the thing is, what sets the "Common Era" off from "Before Common Era?


I think the point of CE is that the reason we arrange our dates the way we do has absolutely nothing to do with our religious beliefs. We do it because it is common convention. Habit. I don't write 2005 on everything because a Jew died 2005 years ago. I write 2005 on things because it is "common" convention.

AD ="I am counting the days since Jesus died."
CE ="I am using a common numbering system."


Good point. I haven't quite thought of it like that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'S')o unless you go by the theory that time started with your birth, you are acnowladging that there was some significant event to influence the datiing system.


I think we could all agree that the Catholic Church had a number of sweeping cultural and political effects on the development of the current society and that among those was enforcing a universal dating system. I think we could also have long, bitter, and ultimately quite unproductive arguements about the value and desirability of many of those effects.


Well, we could, but the question is why engage in such an exersize of futility? And now, back to eating my chilli. Mmm, chilli! Image
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Unread postby erl » Thu 19 May 2005, 01:29:20

I can certainly understand the reasoning behind the desire to change the calendar designation from A.D. to C.E. The primary reason given by those advocating the change is that we live in a multicultural / multi-religious society and we shouldn't force those who disagree to acknowledge Jesus every time they write the date.

But, who writes "A.D." or "C.E." after the date? I mean, ever?

I don't think I ever have. Well, maybe in elementary school when I first learned what the letters meant. But certainly not since then.

In fact, as I think about it, the only times I have seen the letters used (this thread excepted) is when some date was quoted in a science book or on the Discovery Channel. In the latter, the gentleman discussing some event (I don't remember which) specifically enunciated the letters "C.E." after the year and then went on to say "Common Era." I guess he was trying to educate his viewers.

But, going back to the religious connotation with the designation "A.D." It is certainly a religious designation, but does that mean we should replace it on certain public documents or on public buildings and monuments (engraved in stone)?

Furthermore, if we do replace A.D. with C.E. do we also have to replace all the other "religious" designations in our calendaring system?

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday I believe are all named after ancient Gods or Goddesses. I'll have to look it up but I remember Wednesday is "Wotan's Day" and Thursday is "Thor's day."

Then there are still the months to deal with. Januray through June are Roman gods and goddesses. July and August are Roman emperors (who later became Gods). September through December are okay, being numbers.

So I guess the question is how far do we take it?
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Unread postby k_semler » Thu 19 May 2005, 01:44:31

Read the book God's Smuggler. It is about one man's effort to bring the Holy scriptures to the Soviet occupied states. This is how far I personally expect it to go, if not further.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 19 May 2005, 10:00:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'R')ead the book God's Smuggler. It is about one man's effort to bring the Holy scriptures to the Soviet occupied states. This is how far I personally expect it to go, if not further.


Why do you think that? I was raised by evalgelical Christians and I know there is this really heavy persecution thread that circulates in those circles, but I don't understand it. I don't care what you believe. Tote a Bible. Tote a Koran. Tote a Rosetta Stone. Worship little pink ferries that live in mushrooms for all I care. Just don't get all tweaked out if I don't join you.

Historically I think it is pretty safe to say that at least as many people have been persecuted and killed for not being Christian as have been for being Christian. So why the persecution fixation? It's like the whole gay marriage thing. If the law falters for one minute in enforcing Christian beliefs on everyone, then Pat Robertson is up wailing about how he's being persecuted. I don't want to persecute you. I just don't believe what you believe. If you think gay marriage is wrong. Don't do it. If you think abortion is wrong. Great. Don't have one. And don't get all offended if someone else does.
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Thu 19 May 2005, 18:40:40

WAIT A SEC!

We are defined by moments, and if we here on PEAK OIL dot COM can't figure out we need to start counting form the date of PEAK, then is there ANY HOPE for US?

(whenever that heralded event arrives and Magi confirm upon it Gifts)


So we need:

A) B.P.. (before -peak)

and

B) P.P. (post -peak)

To distiguish dates.

And yes I will take the credit for proposing the Solution! (please do not credit me with the names!)


Assuming the peak is in 2008 for all liqidious hydrocarbons (non-synthetic) then we are now in 3 B.P.

See y'all in 0 -P.P.!

Wow. to live through 2 changes of Millenia, that don't happen often! Were gonna party like it's 1999!

Edited to make more sense, be ever so slightly more mature, and a wincy bit more serious
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Unread postby erl » Thu 19 May 2005, 18:55:07

Hey big guy,

I'd give you the credit but I think Smallpoxgirl beat you to it. Check out her post on page 1 of this thread.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 19 May 2005, 19:30:32

See y'all O PP :lol: Our whole civilization, pissed away! (reminds me of the old bumper sticker in the oil patch after the early 80's boom and bust: 'God, please let there be another oil boom. I promise not to piss it all away this time!')
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Unread postby The_Virginian » Fri 20 May 2005, 00:04:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') like your idea erl. So what year is it? I vote 2 BPO.


Aw shucks Erl, you are correct, Kudos to SPXG.

Does that mean we have 3 members willing to make a commitment? :lol:
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 20 May 2005, 21:43:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'W')ow. to live through 2 changes of Millenia, that don't happen often! Were gonna party like it's 1999!


:lol: I don't know about you, but I'm gonna party like its -1, or I guess that's 1 BPO.
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Unread postby k_semler » Fri 20 May 2005, 21:58:41

Bring on the whiskey!
Bring on the Beer!
I'm going to drink,
Some right here!

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Unread postby erl » Sat 21 May 2005, 01:06:39

That reminds me. I'm gonna have to learn how to brew beer and ferment wine.

Any suggestions?

I suppose I could Google it.

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Unread postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Sat 21 May 2005, 09:24:20

What fascinates me is that, even though the Democrats are out of power, right-wing people still seem to blame them for all the liberalisation. You'd think that John Kerry had won the 2004 election.

I personally prefer CE as AD reminds me of Latin, which was a torment of my life until recently. It doesn't really matter though- AD is based on when Christ was thought to have been born but wasn't (the Nativity is, to put it bluntly, historically wrong) and CE is just as silly.
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