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What will you be filling your tank with in 20 years?

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Unread postby bentstrider » Thu 19 May 2005, 13:30:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'I')f small scale biodiesel brewing does not pan out for me, the only thing in my gas tank will be cobwebs.

Plus don't forget folks, a complete crash will deprive most of your vehicles of spare parts, especially techno parts.

Old diesel trucks may the best route to go in my opionion.


I guess now would be the time to figure out how to build the essential, somewhat techno parts out of whatever you come across.
My stepdads '89 F-250 has a 7.3 liter Detroit.
The only techno thing on it would be the ignition module.
Otherwise, no computer/ECU to deal with.
We could easily replace the automatic tranny with a 5 speed overdrive without fouling anything up.
Hell, We could even put a system of flywheels on it to eliminate need for a battery, it's compression ignition after all.
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Unread postby Licho » Thu 19 May 2005, 13:34:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bas', 'n')atural gas is said to peak only a couple of years after oil......

This is perhaps true for America, but Europe (with Russian imports) is still decades from peaking..
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What will you be filling your tank with in 20 years.

Unread postby Franco » Fri 20 May 2005, 21:15:06

I think a good lot of research will have to be carried out on new fuels and ways to burn them into our engines.
First in that line of thinking comes to my mind: Natural Gas.
I think that big trucks criss-crossing the USA could run on Liquefied Natural Gas,provided they are fitted with thermaly insulated tanks to hold the stuff at -161°C.
Remember that passing from its liquid phase to gas,CH4 expands 600 times.
The engine will run on the vapours which are 98% pure CH4.
This should be tried now.

Furthermore I think we should dig a lot more into engines which could operate on different quality of fuel.
This has already been succefully done for the military during the french war in Algeria,in 1960,on the 100 tons Berliet truck,which was supllied either by Diesel-oil or algerian crude oil straight from the oil-field.

I can't believe in H2 Fuel-Cells until we have a liquid fuel from which we can produce H2 through an on board converter at the speed and rate necessary to cover every fluctuating demands of road driving.
We are now light years away from that point.
But it sells so well on forums of dreamers!
The germans had a very reasonable approach to H2 Fuel-Cells.
They proposed to fit them on their boats ferrying tourists along the Lorelei.
It would have been a good promoting move to show the best side of the new technology.
I don't know if they have done it.
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LNG for road transport

Unread postby baldwincng » Sat 21 May 2005, 03:07:13

Franco said

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst in that line of thinking comes to my mind: Natural Gas.
I think that big trucks criss-crossing the USA could run on Liquefied Natural Gas,provided they are fitted with thermaly insulated tanks to hold the stuff at -161°C.
Remember that passing from its liquid phase to gas,CH4 expands 600 times.
The engine will run on the vapours which are 98% pure CH4.
This should be tried now


Whilst the world is moving to CNG for road tranport, Franco is right in that LNG can be good for big trucks. In the UK there is a national network of LNG stations, installed in last 18 months. So far about 200 vehicles running on LNG but market will grow. See

http://chive-ltd.co.uk/chivefuels/natur ... elling.htm

Trucks runing on 75% LNG, 25% CNG save about 25% in CO2!!
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Unread postby cube » Sat 21 May 2005, 04:35:03

I believe even 50 years from now gasoline will still be the primary source of power for cars. But what about PO? They'll be less gas to go around so the cars of the future will be much more efficient.

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