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THE Life After the Oil Crash (LATOC) Thread pt 2 (merged)

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General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby teotwawki » Fri 01 Apr 2011, 13:56:19

Or maybe it is like that star trek eposisode of ship in a bottle and Matt is trapped in some kind of matrix and his program overtaken by an agent ...
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby Kristen » Sat 02 Apr 2011, 05:25:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'Y')es, but don't tell anyone that it was me who said so.


That's very harsh (grinning).
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby Loki » Sat 02 Apr 2011, 17:39:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', 'D')ear Readers,
I believe there may be a conspiracy going on here. Did TPTB censor LATOC? I've been trying to get on that site all day today and it is taken down... all I see is a banner talking about something extreme pepper something and when I click on it it takes me to a Ready Store. Ready for what? I just want to see the Life After the Oil Crash page and all I get is spam... What is going on? Did NSA do a Denial of Service attack on Matt Savinar? Has his truther site made in on the Department of Homeland Security ICE domain takedown list? Or is this an some kind of injection attack? Please someone help explain. I not understand what is happening. Is my browser infected by malware? Is my ISP playing tricks on me? Why LATOC site not workings?!
What happened? to the lotac site?

Man, that's a lot of tinfoil.

Savinar basically got sick of trying to hustle a living from peak oil and decided to become an astrologer instead. Seriously. In other words, he went utterly and completely off the deep end.

As far as I know he erased LATOC, a pretty dick thing to do considering how much time and effort people spent building it into doom central. I'm glad I got banned before I could post much there :lol:
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby blukatzen » Sat 02 Apr 2011, 19:22:29

I have not posted there, nor have I had time to visit much there when it was viable, but knew the community there was very much "a community". I was shocked myself, when listening to an internet show on Sundays, (Feet2theFire.com) with David Arthur Jancik, (from Chicagoland) that he was going to be on the show this Sunday nite. Go to the website to check out the time/timezone for you if you want to listen to him.

I am interested in how he turned his life into being "Dr. Doom" , to one where he knows and accepts that things will happen. This knowledge isn't going to give him the Doom albatross that many seem to live with..or want to live with. (a co-dependency of sorts.)

If the understanding of this came about through the study of Astrology, then my hats off to him. Something cracked thru the doom, and through this awareness, he no longer is in a perpetual state of "doomhood". Doesn't get you far in life. Or at least the life that really matters.
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby Skinner » Sat 02 Apr 2011, 20:50:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', 'D')ear Readers,

I believe there may be a conspiracy going on here. Did TPTB censor LATOC?


No...but it once was a great place wasn't it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', '
')I just want to see the Life After the Oil Crash page and all I get is spam... What is going on? Did NSA do a Denial of Service attack on Matt Savinar?


Nope. Matt apparently lost it, or discovered he had been infiltrated by the cultists of peak. Here is a synopsis from some of his old people.

http://www.theoilage.com/what-happened- ... t1758.html
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby teotwawki » Sat 02 Apr 2011, 22:02:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', 'D')ear Readers,
I believe there may be a conspiracy going on here. Did TPTB censor LATOC? I've been trying to get on that site all day today and it is taken down... all I see is a banner talking about something extreme pepper something and when I click on it it takes me to a Ready Store. Ready for what? I just want to see the Life After the Oil Crash page and all I get is spam... What is going on? Did NSA do a Denial of Service attack on Matt Savinar? Has his truther site made in on the Department of Homeland Security ICE domain takedown list? Or is this an some kind of injection attack? Please someone help explain. I not understand what is happening. Is my browser infected by malware? Is my ISP playing tricks on me? Why LATOC site not workings?!
What happened? to the lotac site?

Man, that's a lot of tinfoil.

Savinar basically got sick of trying to hustle a living from peak oil and decided to become an astrologer instead. Seriously. In other words, he went utterly and completely off the deep end.

As far as I know he erased LATOC, a pretty dick thing to do considering how much time and effort people spent building it into doom central. I'm glad I got banned before I could post much there :lol:


Well ain't that disappointing. If that is true, then it is quite a Debby Downer.

Good thing we have the interest archives : http://replay.waybackmachine.org/201003 ... crash.net/
http://waybackmachine.org/*/http://www. ... lcrash.net

I mean I'm sure Google retains all revisions and iterations of all web site indexes that they crawl (even though they only let us small people get access to the latest most recent versions) but Google seems more interested in helping uncle sam topple oil rich nations by going in on the informational warfare and western propaganda campaigns and likewise censoring Alex Jones and intermittently blocking Ron Paul YouTube videos on the domestic front than helping archive the real truth. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/tag/google/

So maybe TPTB got to Matt and coerced him into pretending to act all weird, psycho, stingy, etc?! I mean from peak oil to astrology? This is impossible! When TPTB does things like this the one thing that usually gives it away is they overdo it and makes it smell fishy.. First Ruppert was chased by the CIA and driven crazy /nuts until he has to flee to Venezuela... and then the CIA injects him with something really bad (their newest bio-weapons) to make him sick enough to crawl back to the United States, thus discrediting Ruppert.

Then after the BP spill happens the government had to silence Simmons, so one day he mysteriously simmered away in a bathtub and drowned himself... Right...

And now Savinar has gone off the deep-end and not only discredited himself by doing the whole astrology stuff but also took his site down completely? He promised it would be up for archival!?

The dude as a courtesy could have at least sold it off for pennies on the dollar to someone who would take good care of it (isn't that what he tried to do a while back but no one bid high enough for his tastes?) and then donate the proceeds to some charity or peak oil foundation... Failing that, he could at least have archived the informative writings on his main site and put it in a .pdf format and gave the public a link to it or something... or gave it for free in Kindle format as an ereader. And the forum was a treasure trove of information, why didn't he make a dump of his database and upload it to some torrent site for archival and the benefit of all humanity?

I'm guessing adsense revenue and Ready-store /Amazon affiliates weren't paying the bills, either that or the ROI was too low.. But it wouldn't cost him that much to keep that static website hosted on something like Amazon S3 and run the forum on a couple of EC2 instances with auto-scaling and a load balance...

Something doesn't smell right about all of this. I know everyone here has heard of Operation Northwoods and knows what it was.. But how many of you know of the OSS (precursor to CIA) had drafted plans to nuke fault-lines near Japan to cause earthquake? How many decades ago was this? Just think today the level of precision the US possesses with its tactical surgical nuking abilities. And then there is of course HAARP.

Maybe they got to Savinar and is remote controlling him? The stuff that TPTB is capable of just blows my mind.
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby Skinner » Sat 02 Apr 2011, 22:27:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', '
')So maybe TPTB got to Matt and coerced him into pretending to act all weird, psycho, stingy, etc?! I mean from peak oil to astrology? This is impossible!


Hardly. Because obviously...it happened. Go ask him, you can find him online, he has a forum with astrology and like 3 members. Sign up and ask him.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwaeki', '
')And now Savinar has gone off the deep-end and not only discredited himself by doing the whole astrology stuff but also took his site down completely? He promised it would be up for archival!?


Promises promises....so he didn't mean it....same as nearly every Doomer you meet on every website. How can you tell? Easy...someone spending time posting has that much less time to become some fanciful Robinson Crusoe.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwaeki', '
')Maybe they got to Savinar and is remote controlling him? The stuff that TPTB is capable of just blows my mind.


Even Matt would know enough to wrap his head in tinfoil to stop such antics. :lol: :lol:
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 03 Apr 2011, 19:51:37

Sometimes I can't find my car keys or the TV remote.

Can astrology help me with that?
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby papa moose » Mon 04 Apr 2011, 01:03:06

Those CIA bastards! now our car keys aren't even safe!

Look inside your sofa cushions 6, that's where the CIA usually hides my car keys.
If not there i look in my dog's kennel, i'm pretty sure he's is NSA but he could be subcontracting himself to the CIA. :lol:
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby Puchica » Wed 06 Apr 2011, 17:30:39

I was thinking of suing Matt: he promised a prize for writing contest, I entered, he did not announce any winners. Federal sweepstakes law prohibits sweepstakes that require 'a consideration' (in this case, the essays were to become Matt's property, for use as content) promise prizes and fail to deliver.
But I figured it was more trouble than worth. Forget it. But doesn't he have a JD? You'd think he'd know better.
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Re: The end of LATOC peak oil site as we know it?

Unread postby JohnRM » Wed 06 Apr 2011, 20:58:29

I wont defend how Matt handled it but I understand his point of view. The forum was meant to discuss peak oil and to share information about how to prepare. In practice, it just turned into a bunch of armchair commandos gathering around in a circle jerk over the latest conspiracy theory. Its not worth the effort.
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby DJWthesecond » Wed 01 Jun 2011, 15:41:18

Sure wish I'd read this thread before I tried posting over at The Oil Age...
It all makes sense now.
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby Revi » Thu 02 Jun 2011, 11:04:04

What's the matter with The Oil Age? It seems okay to me. I sometimes like it better because it is a smaller group. Is there something I should know about it?
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby DJWthesecond » Fri 03 Jun 2011, 15:03:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hat's the matter with The Oil Age? It seems okay to me. I sometimes like it better because it is a smaller group. Is there something I should know about it?


Nothings wrong with it... if you like the 'groupthink' and aggressive intolerance that was pointed out by others in this thread. A couple of king trolls or 'doom daddys' :lol: :lol: herd the groupies.

They're very proud of being the hardcore centre of the old latoc forum. It's no wonder Matt ran screaming... the inmates had taken over the asylum 8O
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 03 Jun 2011, 15:13:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hat's the matter with The Oil Age? It seems okay to me. I sometimes like it better because it is a smaller group. Is there something I should know about it?



Megadoom banned me bc I told him Planet X is a myth - just ask rocc if'n you don't believe mi. Mega is a wacko. :|
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby DJWthesecond » Fri 03 Jun 2011, 15:17:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hat's the matter with The Oil Age? It seems okay to me. I sometimes like it better because it is a smaller group. Is there something I should know about it?



Megadoom banned me bc I told him Planet X is a myth - just ask rocc if'n you don't believe mi. Mega is a wacko. :|


And yet not the worst...
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby aldente » Sat 02 Jul 2011, 05:06:13

a dry meltdown?
Who knows, at this point it is all at the hands of "time" - the big controller.

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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby Bill Hicks » Sat 02 Jul 2011, 09:46:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'W')hat's the matter with The Oil Age? It seems okay to me. I sometimes like it better because it is a smaller group. Is there something I should know about it?



Megadoom banned me bc I told him Planet X is a myth - just ask rocc if'n you don't believe mi. Mega is a wacko. :|



I'm a member of all the LATOC spin off forums except the Tin Foil Palace. Each has a very different feel to it:

Hubbert's Arm (or LLamedos) - is run by Jock and Slow Dazzle and based out of England. Tends to be where the more eggheaded former LATOC'ers hang out. Lots of big picture type discussions and only an occasional flare-up.

Silent Country (and Sustainable Country) - is run by Alex (the former NY Longbow) and tends to appeal to the more practical, preparation-minded doomers. Not as many big picture discussions there and also not that many flare-ups.

The Oil Age - wild and woolly, kind of like a lawless old west town where anything goes. It's also the pace where most of the hardcore doomers migrated after LATOC melted down. Definitely a place where you have to be prepared to hold your own.

I'll say this, though. I may not necessarily agree with the worldview of everybody on those forums and I won't say that some of them don't piss me off on occasion, but I would still rather have a conversation with them than anyone who is still hiding their head in the BAU sand. :)
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby John_A » Sat 02 Jul 2011, 23:09:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bill Hicks', '
')I'll say this, though. I may not necessarily agree with the worldview of everybody on those forums and I won't say that some of them don't piss me off on occasion, but I would still rather have a conversation with them than anyone who is still hiding their head in the BAU sand. :)


Pretty hardcore Bill. Seems like anyone still with a job, using a bank account to trade in fiat currency for food at the grocer or to pay a mortgage, or who drives, might not meet the criteria you have laid down. All of those constitute a pretty big buyin to BAU.
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Re: Meltdown over at LATOC forum

Unread postby Bill Hicks » Sat 02 Jul 2011, 23:51:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('John_A', 'P')retty hardcore Bill. Seems like anyone still with a job, using a bank account to trade in fiat currency for food at the grocer or to pay a mortgage, or who drives, might not meet the criteria you have laid down. All of those constitute a pretty big buyin to BAU.

I'll talk to 'em...but it makes my head hurt sometimes. Seriously, a friend or colleague will tell me how they are planning to buy a McMansion or a new Lexus, or maybe their kid is getting ready to start their Freshman year studying Communications, and I'll nod and be polite. But it is PAINFUL.
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