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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 09:53:00

Dude, these ppl don't qualify for un-enjoyment. They either don't have enough credits for the year or where laid off from part times jobs - you just don't get it oily......

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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 11:21:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'D')ude, these ppl don't qualify for un-enjoyment. They either don't have enough credits for the year or where laid off from part times jobs - you just don't get it oily......

Classic doomer denialism!!

Something is getting better but . . . nooo it just cannot be true! There just must be some doomish explanation! Must, I tell ya, MUST!!

LOL!!! :lol:

Make it all go away!!!

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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby Timo » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 11:37:52

I'm not a doomer in the classic understanding of the word, but in their defense, our collective impending doom doesn't rest solely upon those standing (or not) in the unemployment lines. There's also the value of the dollar, ITC, peak oil, geologic fun and games, Republican fascism, yada-yada-yada....... The doom is just beginning! :-D
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 13:30:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'C')lassic doomer denialism!! Something is getting better but . . . nooo it just cannot be true! There just must be some doomish explanation! Must, I tell ya, MUST!! LOL!!! :lol:

Make it all go away!!!

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Here, oily-the-shill.......
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 13:53:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ere, oily-the-shill.......
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Here is the correct data series. On topic.

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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby Maddog78 » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 14:53:17

My company hired six people this month and we have two more openings we want to fill.
We will also add two more rigs in April.

There's doom out there if that's all you want to look for.
There are also good things happening here and there.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 14:56:46

Michigan governor wants emergency powers.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ichigan Governor Rick Snyder will cut aid to local towns and cities so drastically that he can then declare them in a state of fiscal emergency and then strip the local governments of their duly elected officials and inserting his own appointed financial managers with specific authority. His bill will authorize the emergency manager to reject, modify, or terminate the terms of existing contracts or collective bargaining agreements.

Additionally the Michigan Messenger reports:
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State officials estimate that dozens of local governments and school districts will soon be unable to pay their bills and the Treasury dept. is on record supporting a bill — passed by the House last week — which would recast Emergency Financial Managers as Emergency Managers and give them unprecedented new power to fire elected officials, dissolve labor contracts and reorganize or dissolve cities and school districts.

Supporters of the measure say that it is needed because the leaders of some towns and schools have been unable to muster the political will to take unpopular budget balancing steps.

Because the bill establishes no process for how appointees can carry out their new powers and specifically lays out that Emergency Managers need not consult with a community’s elected representatives, some worry that corporate managers, appointed by the governor, could liquidate community assets to cover debt and leave towns no better off than they were......

Labor officials say the legislation will give “dictatorial” powers over municipalities struggling with financial issues. They say Gov. Rick Snyder’s budget which has severe cuts to local revenue sharing and K-12 school fund per pupil rates will drive local units of government closer to financial insolvency, causing a need for financial managers. Those managers would be empowered to nullify any bargaining agreements in effect, and upon doing so it would stand for five years.

ALSO: the Governor’s budget will impose tax hikes on seniors and low-income workers to the tune of $1.7 billion AND then he will give $1.8 billion in tax cuts to businesses; Governor wants to take over the right to appoint local government rather then allow local citizens to vote in their officials. The Governor’s emergency manager will be able to disincorporate or dissolve municipal governments.


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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby Timo » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 15:20:58

With reference to another thread here on P.O., why anyone would trust a Republican with any official power is beyond me. See a problem. Make it worse. Blame Democrats. Problem solved.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 16:05:08

Senate bill calls for pension funding shift
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')PERA Coordinated and Correctional members would effectively pay 50 percent more for their pensions under a bill introduced Monday, March 14, by Sen. Mike Parry, Waseca, and Sen. Gretchen Hoffman, Vergas. Employer contributions to the plans would drop a similar amount under

Senate File 813.


The 3 percent of pay increase would mean a contribution rate of 9.25 percent for Coordinated members and 8.83 percent for Corrections officers as of July 1. Employer rates would drop to 4.25 percent and 5.75 percent, respectively. The bill does not affect the Association's Police & Fire Plan.

In addition to PERA members, the bill’s provisions also apply to state employees, teachers and legislators. The Republican sponsors argue the legislation will bring public pensions more in line with private sector retirement plans. Union leaders immediately criticized the measure as a unilateral pay reduction for members and noted that unions supported several pension benefit concessions in last year's Omnibus Pension Bill.

Unlike Wisconsin, where, until this month pension funding has been primarily an employer responsibility, PERA members and employers have traditionally split pension costs. Both members and employers pay about 50 percent each for the General Plan and divide the costs 40%/60% for the public safety plans.

In effect, shifting more of the pension costs to employees would offset reductions employers see in future local government aid from the state. It is estimated employers would save approximately $155 million per year with the lower Coordinated Plan contribution rate, and an additional $5 million for the Correctional Plan.


The bill is headed to Parry’s Senate State Government Innovation and Veterans Committee rather than the Legislative Commission on Pensions and Retirement, the usual starting point for pension legislation. A companion bill has yet to be introduced in the House.

This is not the first legislation directly addressing PERA pensions this year. Rep. Mark Buesgens, Jordan, introduced two bills in February that would effectively freeze public pensions in Minnesota as of July 1 ( H.F.542 and H.F.594). The two measures call for closing all public retirement plans to new employees after June 30, and locking in the benefits earned as of that date for current public employees. The legislation has not been picked up in the Senate.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 16:45:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'B')elow 400K 4 of the past 6 weeks. Poor doomers, they must be getting really frustrated.

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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 18:21:59

Who do you work for?
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 17 Mar 2011, 20:17:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')size=200]Who do you work for? [/size]

I work for an Indian tribe.

Sorry to disappoint you. :lol:
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 24 Mar 2011, 08:39:16

Steady as she goes!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]SEASONALLY ADJUSTED DATA

In the week ending March 19, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 382,000, a decrease of 5,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 387,000. The 4-week moving average was 385,250, a decrease of 1,500 from the previous week's revised average of 386,750.

The advance seasonally adjusted insured unemployment rate was 3.0 percent for the week ending March 12, unchanged from the prior week's unrevised rate of 3.0 percent.

The advance number for seasonally adjusted insured unemployment during the week ending March 12 was 3,721,000, a decrease of 2,000 from the preceding week's revised level of 3,723,000. The 4-week moving average was 3,755,250, a decrease of 28,000 from the preceding week's revised average of 3,783,250.

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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 09:42:55

We have new-and-improved seasonal adjustment factors going all the way back to 2006, but we're still below 400K 6 of the past 8 weeks.

>>> Weekly U.S. jobless claims dip 6,000 to 388,000 <<<
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 10:02:31

Don't forget this oily.

The average of new claims over the past four weeks, meanwhile, rose by 3,250 to 394,250. The four-week average is considered more accurate a gauge of employment trends because it lessens week-to-week volatility in the data.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 11:14:40

Here's the chart (incorporating the new seasonal adjustments) of the 4-week average. When there is a clear and sustained move upwards such as there was in late 2007 and the middle of 2000, I might start to worry.

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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby AirlinePilot » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 14:01:04

Government bullsh1t and newspeak...

Rueters...

Jobless Claims Fall More Than Expected

New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits fell last week, a government report showed on Thursday, further evidence a material improvement in the labor market was under way.

OH REALLY?


So, the experts predicted claims would fall 2,000 -- from last week's 382,000 to 380,000. But last week's number was revised higher by 12,000 -- from 382,000 to 394,000.

So, claims "fell more than expected" 6,000 to 388,000, but that number is actually HIGHER than last week's original number of 382,000.

So they're calling that a beat, when the net is that claims went up 6,000, based on both sets of original numbers. Reuters is a bunch of stenographers, not reporters. They can't even do third-grade math. The actual net number is 6,000 HIGHER than last week's posted number, and the four-week moving average was up 3,250.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 14:02:34

oily is a punk.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby copious.abundance » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 15:12:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'o')ily is a punk.

Now if *I* had posted that a moderator would have deleted it in no time. :roll:

As for AP's post, I actually agree it was ridiculous for the media to report it as "falls more than expected" when the actual number was larger than the expected number. But given that seasonal variations in various measures can and do change over time, the Labor Department would be remiss if they didn't adjust their seasonal factors now and then, so I don't blame them for anything. They're simply doing what they statistically *should* do.
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Re: So much for "sideways," jobless claims jump to 500k

Postby vision-master » Thu 31 Mar 2011, 15:55:27

Not only are you a punk, but yer a lier too.
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