[Cloud9]

I’m confused. I thought China was the shinning example of the centrally planned workers paradise. Isn’t this the dream of the left leaning statist? Why are you bashing China?

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')’m confused. I thought China was the shinning example of the centrally planned workers paradise. Isn’t this the dream of the left leaning statist? Why are you bashing China?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')Right-wingers being short-sighted and wanting to take what they can get while they can without considering the long-term consequences to the environment or energy availability, and how this clashes with doomerism.

[Cloud9]

Social democrats wore brown shirts didn't they? Red shirt brown shirt what's the difference either way the nonconformists wind up on their knees facing a ditch with a gun to the back of their head.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Obama and his fellow liberal democrats who are being short sighted and whose policy is to do everything they can to prop up BAU with the goal of allowing Americans to get what they can get without considering long-term consequences or energy availability.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '.')... sputnik moment ....

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Are you serious?

[Pretorian]

Sorry, Mos, do you seriously believe Obama wrote any of his speeches

[evilgenius]

Jeez, Mos, you make it crystal clear and still they can't hear you.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')orry, Mos, do you seriously believe Obama wrote any of his speeches

[AgentR11]

Why does a really pretty interesting thread topic have to devolve into an exercise in political cartooning Obama into a moron or a savior?

As a right wingish kinda person, why should I be interested in selecting mos' preferred ethics framework when it comes to resource usage and allocation? That foreign countries willingly trade their precious oil reserves for US currency is not the fault of the US purchaser. That foreign purchaser could use those revenues to build up alternate industrial / economic capabilities if they so choose. That they instead use those funds for the entertainment of the elite, and bread to quiet the masses, is not a fault of capitalism, it is the result of evil leadership in the oil exporting country.

Is there a measurable US economic interest in ceding the per capita lead to another country? I don't think so at all. Not to say that we shouldn't always try to get more bang out of what we consume, but the extra bang should result in increased productivity / value; instead of focused on trying to reduce the per capita consumption.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Obama has even started a war in Libya now to keep the oil flowing

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'C')are to name any non-oil producing countries that Obama has fired 120+ cruise missiles into and run hundreds of bombing sorties into and wasted a billion dollars blowing up?

[rangerone314]

The $60 billion the tea party wants cut out of the budget is about $200 bucks for every person in the US.

I believe the sum total of the debt and liabilities such as social security, medicaire, medicaide, etc is about $250,000 per person in the US.

Yup, sounds like the Tea Baggers have about as much of a grasp on reality as the Libtards.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Afghanistan.

[rangerone314]

I figured out American politics: if a Republican president starts a war the conservatives all sign on like lemmings and the libs get all testy.

If a Democratic president starts a similar war the conservatives get all testy and the libs mostly go quiet.

Its not about whether something should or shouldn't be done, its all about whether it will serve a narrow interest (even at the expense of the greater good), its about scoring points (even if it means being a hypocrite)

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Obama has even started a war in Libya now to keep the oil flowing

[Cloud9]

Afghanistan is about oil. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/oil.html

[rangerone314]

I figured out how to solve the budget problems: since those mostly gray-haired angry Tea party protesters hate government so much and want to cut spending, I think we should cut Social Security to 0. Zero. Zed. Zilch. Nil. Ditto on Medicare, if they hate "socialism" so much.

Then it will be a race as to what kills off the baby boomers: starvation, freezing to death in winter, or disease.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') figured out how to solve the budget problems: since those mostly gray-haired angry Tea party protesters hate government so much and want to cut spending, I think we should cut Social Security to 0. Zero. Zed. Zilch. Nil. Ditto on Medicare, if they hate "socialism" so much.

Then it will be a race as to what kills off the baby boomers: starvation, freezing to death in winter, or disease.