[reggieUK]

Is this the death knell for peak oil 'theory'?
if not whay not?
from
http://pesn.com/2005/05/16/6900096_Syngas
is
Fairchild International Corp. Announces Discovery of Almost Unlimited Inexpensive Natural Gas Substitute

No airborne emissions from inexpensive process that creates gas from biomass, waste wood, and low-grade coal.

Adapted by Pure Energy Systems News

SynGas Generator

VANCOUVER, B.C., CANADA -- SynGas has completed development of its synthetic, low-cost, natural gas production technology. Fairchild International Corporation (OTCBB:FCHL), the holding company for SynGas, is encouraged by the preliminary test results.

The prototype model has already been successfully tested using a number of inputs including low-grade coal, wood waste and other biomass, yielding superior results with lower costs and emissions than currently available technology. The SynGas technology produces electricity and/or pipeline quality synthetic gas, as a replacement for quickly depleting natural gas and oil, at low costs, with the additional benefit of zero airborne emissions.

Anish Somani, Fairchild President said, "Synthetic natural gas "SynGas" has the potential to replace natural gas in powering our communities, homes and industrial plants in the future. Our technology allows us to produce SynGas cheaper than the current costs of processing gas. Our new approach allows us to take the guess work out of exploration activities in an era when traditional fossil fuels have become expensive and scarce."

more at link

[Raxozanne]

Yeh!!!

Now we can chop down all the trees and wait for Peak Coal instead!!!
Will that take us to 2050 when the pop. reaches 9 billion?
Then we can have a super duper crash with 9 billion people.
Wow just the thought sends shivers down my spine.

Somehow I always had a suspicion that if there was going to be a crash it would occur at maximum damage potential (i.e: when there are 9 billion humans to kill-off).

[lorenzo]

The technology uses biomass. Where's the biomass going to come from? Mind you, you need land for food production too.

And you should be out there, planting trees on a massive scale, now. Not tomorrow. Now.

[EddieB]

I'm not holding my breath just yet. That link sounds suspicioiusly like thermal depolymerization to me, and until they show some numbers I'll not getting very excited.

[pup55]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r. Anish Somani - President
Mr. Somani graduated from the prestigious University of British Columbia with Bachelor of Economics Degree, with a concentration in Sciences.Following his graduation, Mr. Somani went into the family business, importing and exporting as well as real estate development.Subsequently, Mr. Somani assisted in financing several start – up companies, some of which went public through an IPO or reverse merger.This successful business career led Mr. Somani to travel extensively. On one of these business trips, Mr. Somani was awestruck at the price of gasoline in foreign countries as well as the poor quality of air. Believing that a company or product that could alleviate these problems was indeed a mandate for the future, Mr. Somani worked diligently to find such a Company or product. He believes he has found both in Syngas.

[Leanan]

Scaling up will be the problem. It's just like that "turkey parts to oil" plant. Yes, it's economical, or could be, if you have the raw materials. The problem is the raw materials.

I bet it's not energy-positive if you consider the real cost of raw materials. Using waste wood and crop residue is great. But as you scale up, you'll eventually have to start growing crops to use as raw material, and that will be a whole different ball game.

[Chichis]

The impression I get from this and other thermal depolyermization technologies is they are a great way of reducing waste and capturing energy on the outflow from the larger system. They are not the greatest for generating entirely new energy though. This technology combined with hundreds of others are what give the softlanding'er some hope about the future.

[Raxozanne]

Also you can't exactly fill up your car with gas

Transportation would have to be reengineered to run on gas even if this was an energy positive excercise.
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Syngas
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Syngas (from synthesis gas) is the name given to gasses of varying composition that are generated in coal gasification and some types of waste-to-energy facilities. The name comes from their use in creating synthetic petroleum for use as a fuel or lubricant via Fischer-Tropsch synthesis.

Syngas consists primarily of carbon monoxide and hydrogen, and has less than half the energy density of natural gas. It also contains some sulfur compounds, a safety feature since this allows for its detection in the case of leakage. Syngas can be produced from natural gas as follows:

CH4 + H2O → CO + 3 H2
These gasses are combustible, and are often stored to be burned as a fuel source.

For the most part, the amount of synthetic gas produced in a waste to energy facility is only enough to keep the plant operating.

[killJOY]

To scale up this program not just to meet energy demand but to keep up with growth means growing the supply of waste.

As an energy "alternative," waste more stuff so it can be converted to gas, which can then be used to convert more stuff to waste.



sounds like a nightmare. Or a joke.

[RdSnt]

Oh for crying out loud.

http://members.tripod.com/~highforest/w ... odgas.html

It's been around for a couple of centuries. Compare the diagram with the image of the SynGas generator.

[gnm]

Yes this is old technology. I would be afraid that we actually would try to scale it up and use the only major net positive source we have left - coal.

If we use all this coal I imagine the massive releases of methane from production and additional CO2 would be real good for the atmosphere. Carboniferous period here we come.

-G

[Raxozanne]

But it said that there would be zero airbourne emissions in the article.

[gnm]

True - what I was thinking is just in scaling up use of natural gas we would have even more releases. Like the amounts released when you fill a propane tank for instance. Or when a pilot goes out, or a line breaks... and on and on...

But its really turning all that coal into methane and associated CO2 that would be the problem I suppose. Methane is a lot worse than CO2 as far as greenhouse type gases go if it gets released unburned.

-G

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('reggieUK', 'I')s this the death knell for peak oil 'theory'?
if not whay not?
from
http://pesn.com/2005/05/16/6900096_Syngas
is
Fairchild International Corp. Announces Discovery of Almost Unlimited Inexpensive Natural Gas Substitute

No airborne emissions from inexpensive process that creates gas from biomass, waste wood, and low-grade coal.

Adapted by Pure Energy Systems News

SynGas Generator

VANCOUVER, B.C., CANADA -- SynGas has completed development of its synthetic, low-cost, natural gas production technology. Fairchild International Corporation (OTCBB:FCHL), the holding company for SynGas, is encouraged by the preliminary test results.

The prototype model has already been successfully tested using a number of inputs including low-grade coal, wood waste and other biomass, yielding superior results with lower costs and emissions than currently available technology. The SynGas technology produces electricity and/or pipeline quality synthetic gas, as a replacement for quickly depleting natural gas and oil, at low costs, with the additional benefit of zero airborne emissions.

Anish Somani, Fairchild President said, "Synthetic natural gas "SynGas" has the potential to replace natural gas in powering our communities, homes and industrial plants in the future. Our technology allows us to produce SynGas cheaper than the current costs of processing gas. Our new approach allows us to take the guess work out of exploration activities in an era when traditional fossil fuels have become expensive and scarce."

more at link

[Tyler_JC]

If it were cheaper than current gas, it would be produced by every major energy company. Exxon could make BILLIONS off of something like this. They aren't investing because it's a bad investment. The cheap website advertises the fact that this company is a joke.

Secondly, there's no such thing as "bio-waste". Nature doesn't produce waste. That crop residue is useful fertilizer. The only reason we don't use it as such is because of our use of oil/gas based fertilizers. When those inputs vanish, your so-called "bio-waste" vanished right along with it.

[SidneyTawl]

Fairchild Industries.

Has anyone else here heard of Wehner Von Braun's female associate (I think she was the CEO or CFO of Fairchild) very high up in the food chain at Fairchild anyhoo..

The reason she resigned from Fairchild.

"What" she claims that Von Braun told her as he was dying.

Very interesting stuff, a female "Matt Simmons" if you will from the defense industry conglomerate.

[skiwi]

As Werner Von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today) to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space. To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism and in war.

Testimony of Dr. Carol Rosin

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')f it were cheaper than current gas, it would be produced by every major energy company. Exxon could make BILLIONS off of something like this. They aren't investing because it's a bad investment. The cheap website advertises the fact that this company is a joke.

Secondly, there's no such thing as "bio-waste". Nature doesn't produce waste. That crop residue is useful fertilizer. The only reason we don't use it as such is because of our use of oil/gas based fertilizers. When those inputs vanish, your so-called "bio-waste" vanished right along with it.

[Cyrus]

Bigg, what you are not understanding(and I may be wrong), but, the scalabilty and the time in which we could get the alternatives discussed in this and your other threads does not look good. Some of the alternatives would be spectacular if we had begun to develop the infastructure to make and use it years ago. Even now, I'm sure "syngas" and other alternatives could be used, but on a smaller scale than good old petro. There is no one collective alternative energy as of now which can make up for oil.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n top of that you are incorrect again regarding the assertion there is “no such thing as bio-waste”. You have no idea of what you are talking about here. There is billions of tons of unneeded biowaste and I have listed people that do know what the are talking about on this issue here many times already.