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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:04:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he federal government and many state and local governments are bankrupt and have to reduce spending.

What you’re insinuating is that it's ok to be a slave since it’s too expensive to be free.


Asking teachers to pay another couple of percent into their health care plans is not enslaving them. :roll:

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:06:09

Asking? :lol:
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Xenophobe » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:10:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')sking? :lol:


If they don't like their working conditions, including paying some small portion of their health benefits, they are as free as anyone else to find a job elsewhere.

As are we all.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:13:25

They already agreed to financial concessions. The issue is the Republican attempt to deny them collective bargaining rights and bust the Unions which you convieniently fail to acknowledge.

You liked it when the war was one sided.

Let's see how you like it when the workers fight back.

I am now using a significant part of my personal fortune to help in the fight for social justice. One Nation, One Union!
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:21:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he federal government and many state and local governments are bankrupt and have to reduce spending.

What you’re insinuating is that it's ok to be a slave since it’s too expensive to be free.


Asking teachers to pay another couple of percent into their health care plans is not enslaving them. :roll:


What they have already accepted to give is an 8% hit to their wages. What the Gov. wants is their blood loyalty to never bargin again other then for pay which cannot be more then the cost of living.

As they fall so does the level of pay for everyone.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:24:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')sking? :lol:


If they don't like their working conditions, including paying some small portion of their health benefits, they are as free as anyone else to find a job elsewhere.

As are we all.


Oh yeah, that's what weak ppl do, they leave instead of standing up for their rights. This is exaclty the kind of training management gets. They hate ppl like me that stand up to them, out smart them and MAKE their lifes miserable. You see X, it's a two way street always. :)
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:28:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ')What the Gov. wants is their ... pay which cannot be more then the cost of living.

As they fall so does the level of pay for everyone.


Not really.

If the salaries of government employees are reduced and other government spending is reduced, then taxes can be reduced and everyone else will have MORE money. :-D
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:29:43

What this labor movement needs is violence, 30's style.

FBI visits home..... :lol:
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Xenophobe » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:35:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')hey already agreed to financial concessions. The issue is the Republican attempt to deny them collective bargaining rights and bust the Unions which you convieniently fail to acknowledge.


At the end of the day, the only power anyone really has is the ability to decide, for themselves, to get up and walk away. Everything else is just herd behavior of some sort or another.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')You liked it when the war was one sided.


What war?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')Let's see how you like it when the workers fight back.


I'm a worker...did I miss the memo on fighting back?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')I am now using a significant part of my personal fortune to help in the fight for social justice. One Nation, One Union!


Good for you. And who gives a crap. You've got a personal fortune...great! So as part of the ruling elite you are implying you have seen the error of your ways and are giving your money back? Cool! When can I have some?
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:37:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', ' ')What the Gov. wants is their ... pay which cannot be more then the cost of living.

As they fall so does the level of pay for everyone.


Not really.

If the salaries of government employees are reduced and other government spending is reduced, then taxes can be reduced and everyone else will have MORE money. :-D


You need some training in economics. How does making less money by government employees who pay taxes, and hence by transference, most everyone else connected with the public sector increase revenue? Less taxes means less revenue. The balancing of the budget occurs when you have everyone prospering and paying into the system, not just the rich who are paying far less then their fare share.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:45:31

The only power the workers have is to stand together and resist.

Strength through Solidarity.

I have always worked on the side of social justice. Being wealthy doesn't automatically place you on the Dark Side.

There are many wealthy people fighting for social justice. This includes Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.

It isn't the poor vs the rich.

It's the workers against the wage slavers.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:46:28

How does making sure the rich keep their tax cuts during a deficit (despite the upper 1% gaining the majority of the wealth generated in the 2000's) and reducing the middle class further help the country?

State workers make more than private workers but less if you count their educational level which on average is higher. They trade higher potential pay in private sector in exchange for more secure benefits in the public sector, and now when the going gets tough, the pimps for the fatcats want to take that away.

I've never been a big fan of state workers OR unions, but I'm calling B.S. on this!
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Xenophobe » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:50:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', ' ')Being wealthy doesn't automatically place you on the Dark Side.


Obviously you don't hang out at peak oil/Doomer websites much. :lol: :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')There are many wealthy people fighting for social justice. This includes Bill Gates and Warren Buffett.


Like I said...it's good that you, and your ruling elite buddies, want to give something back. When are you going to write some of us worker bee's a check? Or are you just all hot air when it comes to solidarity with the people?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')It isn't the poor vs the rich.
It's the workers against the wage slavers.


Easy to say considering which side of the equation you reside on.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:54:00

The side of the equation I am on is Social Justice.

You, Plantagenet, and Cog are clearly on the side of the wage slavers.

That places you on the Dark Side.

Actually, you make a good point. The workers don't stand alone.

It's Social Justice vs the Wage Slavers.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:59:50

Right on and game on… but let me post my anthem!

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 21:09:20

Thank you for that, Lore. I had not heard him before.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 21:13:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')hank you for that, Lore. I had not heard him before.


Welcome, he's been around for years, may need to just tweak the words a little, but how it fits!
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby eric_b » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 22:15:53

It's difficult for me to determine why this legislation (in Wisconsin) is now being 'pushed through'. Some say it's entirely a budget issue, others say it's all about union busting and a political agenda. News has grown so deeply shallow in the US it's not easy to know for certain. If it's primarily a budgeting problem.. well then apparently the economy is still doing very poorly and tax revenue continues to drop. If 'TPTB' are attempting to get this legislation passed for other reasons God only knows what they may be.

Bill Wineke laments 'Walker's bleak vision for Wisconsin'
http://www.channel3000.com/news/26933342/detail.html

I've lived in Madison most of my life, and all I can say with certainty is I haven't seen such a prolonged protest in ages.

Again, here are a few images I collected last week:
http://www.fractalfreak.com/wx/BlackThursday/index.html
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 22:24:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', ' ')If 'TPTB' are attempting to get this legislation passed for other reasons God only knows what they may be.


For American workers to be able to compete with Chinese workers on an equal footing.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Xenophobe » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 22:27:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he side of the equation I am on is Social Justice.


Cool. Where can I collect my income equalization check?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')Actually, you make a good point. The workers don't stand alone.

It's Social Justice vs the Wage Slavers.


Yeah, well, when the ruling elite and their "personal fortunes" pretend to be for social justice but can't be bothered to cut us all a check to prove it, I figure your rhetoric is worth as much as that phantom check....
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