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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:00:22

The problem with our educational system stems first of all from the attitude of the students parents, dumbos raising dumbos, which is beyond the control of the state, and the quality of the those doing the educating. The latter can be fixed right now, not by paying less, but by paying much more for qualified teachers. Rather then accept the bottom 10% of the losers like we do from our colleges as teachers we need to go after the top 10%.

None of the above has anything to do with whether they’re unionized or not.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:02:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith the 2012 presidential election already on presidential aspirants' front doorstep, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is hiking the campaign trail, stomping the path of ethanol subsidies.

Last Tuesday, the former Speaker visited the Renewable Fuels Association summit in Des Moines, touting the praises of ethanol and its progressive impact on the environment. He then tenderized the farm industry saying, “We have had a problem of farm income back to the 1890s and 1880s [and] the fact is that every time the farmers start to do well someone starts to attack them.”

A battle between Gingrich and the Wall Street Journal is now raging, as Gingrich accused the Journal of being “just plain flat intellectually wrong” about its anti-ethanol views. He then accused “big cities” and “big urban newspapers” of denying prosperity to rural America.

Gingrich, along with his ethanol hawking colleagues, have friends to repay, and promoting policies that will benefit the Corn Belt may present campaign assets for the 2012 election — for both money and votes.

But Gingrich and other “conservative” Republicans who support ethanol subsidies are risking the dreaded label of “fiscally irresponsible bureaucrat.” Currently these subsidies amount to about $6 billion annually and with the current drive for decreasing government spending, particularly among tea party supporters, pro-ethanol politicians may become heated targets.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are also seeing the usual quadrennial pilgrimage of supposedly fiscally conservative Republican presidential candidates to Iowa, where they swear eternal fealty to farm subsidies generally, but, even worse, to ethanol subsidies in particular. Perhaps the most revolting example of this spectacle was former House speaker Newt Gingrich's claim that opposition to ethanol subsidies and mandates stems from "big city" folks who just don't like farmers.

But Gingrich is hardly alone. Mitt Romney defends farm subsidies as a "national-security issue," because somehow if farmers don't get an annual government check, al-Qaeda will hold our food supply hostage. Romney, of course, is also a big backer of ethanol subsidies, as is former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, who once keynoted the annual convention of the American Coalition for Ethanol. Sarah Palin? Mike Huckabee? Sorry, they are on the farm-subsidy/ethanol bandwagon too. Indiana governor Mitch Daniels sounded promising: "Farm subsidies in general ought to go away," he says. But he too can't break the ethanol addiction. A "national-security issue," he says.

Incidentally, ethanol subsidies were extended as part of the lame-duck session's compromise tax agreement in December. It was pushed in large part by six Republican senators, including John Thune, another putative presidential candidate.

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And by the way, Ethanol Subsidies was Bushes baby. Even as researchers were discovering that the "green" benefits of Ethanol was a bunch of Hooey, Republicans were pushing through increased ethanol subsidies as a means to redirect federal dollars to big Agribusiness. Ethanol subsidies were actually reduced during the Clinton Administration.

Those subsidies aren't going to small farmers, they are going to ADM and Monsanto. Oh, those poor giant Agibusinesses, whatever would they do without their Ethanol subsidies?

Ethanol is just a convienient way to package agricultural production into an easily transportable form and sellable overseas. An easy way to ship our food out of the country for profit while our poor are priced out of the food market.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby PrestonSturges » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:07:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'I')n your dreams Cid.
Rasmussen poll 10% spread on most likely to vote, for the Gov. over the union.
The first two years of the Obama administration was "look, this guy is incompetent".
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:09:24

And it couldn't come at a better time, when the world's food supply is up against the wall.

Newt needs to get back under the rock he came from.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby PrestonSturges » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:17:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith the 2012 presidential election already on presidential aspirants' front doorstep, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is hiking the campaign trail, stomping the path of ethanol subsidies.

Ethanol is just a convienient way to package agricultural production into an easily transportable form and sellable overseas. An easy way to ship our food out of the country for profit while our poor are priced out of the food market.

People like Newt give honest whores a bad name.

I agree with your point about exporting food. The economics of converting corn to value added ethanol (whiskey) has been around for centuries.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby gollum » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:29:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '.')..we are going to have a lot more of this unless the leadership of this country is willing to come clean and ask for sacrifice by all parties (so far neither side has been able to do this).

The problem is it's not sacrifice by "all parties", it's austerity for you and insane wealth accumulation for me. It's strict Calvinism for you and non-stop sexual debauchery for me. It's benefit cuts for you and tax breaks for me...etc



I meant everyone will have to sacrifice in lower benefits for government employees (which is not to say it isn't absolutely reprehensible to blame them or take their right to bargain), less medical and social security for the elderly, less free wheeling military spending, more basic education and social services, and higher (yes I did say higher) taxes for the wealthy and on consumer goods. It's clear by how the leadership in this country has acted the past ten years they have not one clue as to what to do, and to be quite honest underestimate the strength and will of the American people when confronted with a challenge if is tackled in a way that asks sacrifice of all and is fair to all.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:38:01

This is concerted Union busting by Republican Governors. Wisconsin public workers already agreed to financial concessions. (Even though Wisconsin went into the year with a $121 million surplus, before the Governor gave away $140 million in business tax breaks to eliminate the surplus and create a deficit.)

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby mos6507 » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:43:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', ' ')It's clear by how the leadership in this country has acted the past ten years they have not one clue as to what to do, and to be quite honest underestimate the strength and will of the American people when confronted with a challenge if is tackled in a way that asks sacrifice of all and is fair to all.


Hmm... What gives the leadership in this country the idea people will volunteer to sacrifice?

This?

How about this?

Or this.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Oneaboveall » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 17:57:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '.')..we are going to have a lot more of this unless the leadership of this country is willing to come clean and ask for sacrifice by all parties (so far neither side has been able to do this).

The problem is it's not sacrifice by "all parties", it's austerity for you and insane wealth accumulation for me. It's strict Calvinism for you and non-stop sexual debauchery for me. It's benefit cuts for you and tax breaks for me...etc



I meant everyone will have to sacrifice in lower benefits for government employees (which is not to say it isn't absolutely reprehensible to blame them or take their right to bargain), less medical and social security for the elderly, less free wheeling military spending, more basic education and social services, and higher (yes I did say higher) taxes for the wealthy and on consumer goods. It's clear by how the leadership in this country has acted the past ten years they have not one clue as to what to do, and to be quite honest underestimate the strength and will of the American people when confronted with a challenge if is tackled in a way that asks sacrifice of all and is fair to all.

Gollum, I'm not arguing with you; I'm agreeing. The problem is as I said before: it feels like sacrifice for everyone, but the elite.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 18:10:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', ' ')It's clear by how the leadership in this country has acted the past ten years they have not one clue as to what to do, and to be quite honest underestimate the strength and will of the American people when confronted with a challenge if is tackled in a way that asks sacrifice of all and is fair to all.


Yup---the last 10 years were bad. But the past is gone-----the time is NOW----- there's no time like the present.

Lets push the Obama administration to step up and lead right now. Now that Obama is "triangulating" he is in an ideal position to ask sacrifice of all and to be fair to all and to get the US on the right track to deal with peak oil and the economic problems it is producing. :!:
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Pretorian » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 18:19:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he latter can be fixed right now, not by paying less, but by paying much more for qualified teachers. Rather then accept the bottom 10% of the losers like we do from our colleges as teachers we need to go after the top 10%.


You do understand that none of the present teachers will keep the job if this happens? Yes, you can raise quality of education if you do this. But why would someone bother? Its not like there is a need for all geniuses that exist out there.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Cog » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 18:29:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')his is concerted Union busting by Republican Governors. Wisconsin public workers already agreed to financial concessions. (Even though Wisconsin went into the year with a $121 million surplus, before the Governor gave away $140 million in business tax breaks to eliminate the surplus and create a deficit.)

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You really never stop whining about low taxes do you? As one of the mooches on society, I'm sure you are counting on all the other mooches to bring us producers down but guess again. Not going to happen.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 18:42:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '.').. not by paying less, but by paying much more for qualified teachers....


Wisconsin is 3.5 BILLION dollars in the red. There is no money to pay teachers "much more".

And it is getting worse.

If the democrat legislators refuse to return by friday, the state will be unable to vote to authorize refinancing of their debt, costing Wisconsin another 170 million dollars and necessitating even deeper cuts to teachers salaries and benefits. :roll:
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Cog » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 18:51:47

The libtards don't care really how many teachers have to be fired due to the state deficit, as long as the teachers remaining have collective bargaining rights.

I know it sounds insane but its how unions think.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 19:32:53

This is it. The class war being waged against the working class by the Republicans has reached a critical juncture.

You either stand together, organize, to protect you right to a living wage, and decent working conditions, or you lose both.

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby eric_b » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 19:38:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', ' ')The problem is as I said before: it feels like sacrifice for everyone, but the elite.


Ah, isn't that part of the definition of 'elite' (lol)
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 19:43:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')his is it. The class war being waged against the working class by the Republicans has reached a critical juncture.


Try to live in the real world. The federal government and many state and local governments are bankrupt and have to reduce spending.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Lore » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 19:57:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')his is it. The class war being waged against the working class by the Republicans has reached a critical juncture.


Try to live in the real world. The federal government and many state and local governments are bankrupt and have to reduce spending.
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So who is denying that and what does that have to do with worker’s rights? What you’re insinuating is that it's ok to be a slave since it’s too expensive to be free.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby Cid_Yama » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 19:58:48

That's why the top 1% just got an 800 billion dollar tax cut then, huh? That the American People have to borrow to pay for I might add.

Stuff it.

The workers always get the shaft and never get the cream when the Republicans are in charge.

This time the people have awakened. They get it. The lies won't work anymore.

They now recognize that a war has been waged against them since the 70's and they have been pushed into poverty and wage slavery.

No More!

The war is on for real now, since both sides will be fighting from now on, and there are more of us than there are of you.

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Postby vision-master » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 20:00:30

The Rethug platform will turn us into another Egypt. The wealthy better move out of the USA before the anarchy begins.
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