[Fishman]

Thanks Preston,

I've said this before - the DNC decided the best way to get petty incompetent dictators into office was to have them talk about "hope" and "change'

This is a bottom-up form of Marxist dialectics (trickle up poverty)

The other tip off is that nowhere is there any sign of an actual plan, it's only about spend spend spend while the right says hey, there's this thing called a budget, that actually works in the real world, has always worked. Spend spend spend, somebody else s wallet all about destroy, destroy, destroy the financial future. And they are completely unresponsive to any criticism or question, (see the last two years) until they are actually voted out of office. The Democrat's view of democracy is turn tail when you loose and run from town.

The lunatics that are bankrolling the Democratic Party don't believe in any sort of process or planning, they have some sort of hallucinating view that unicorns will save us, completely divorced from reality. Just kicking everything over and smashing everything (see the protestors) when they loose an election just shows the world their incredible inability to deal with the real world, sort of like a two year old throwing a tantrum .

They lost big time in November, the people see their total inability to lead and deal with the problems facing us, the left has been completely left behind.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Private sector workers are paid by you and I and everyone that buys their goods and services. Since you use the services of the government, then it stands to reason you should pay for those too.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '
')From what I understand the unions main grievance wasn't cuts in pay or benefits it was losing the right to collectively bargain those issues.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom what I understand the unions main grievance wasn't cuts in pay or benefits it was losing the right to collectively bargain those issues. Having said that if you or I sign a contract we are bound to abide by it so in what way should the state be different? The intelligent thing would be for both parties to renegotiate a contract that is sustainable, but that won't happen as long as the governor refuses to even sit down at the table. As far as I am concerned fuck em, let the governor explain why schools are closed, cops stayed home, roads aren't fixed, ambulances and firetrucks weren't running, and garbage isn't being collected all because he wanted to make a point of breaking the union.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Y')es, of course.

But why should government workers be paid more and have much better pensions than those that workers have in the private sector? Especially when the state of Wisconsin is 3.6 BILLION dollars in deficit and can't afford to continue to pay the higher wages and pensions it currently pays.

When private business are losing money they lay off workers and reduce pay to avoid going bankrupt. The state is going to have to do the same thing.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Private sector workers are paid by you and I and everyone that buys their goods and services. Since you use the services of the government, then it stands to reason you should pay for those too.

[vision-master]

Sorry sweatshop cog, that's gonna be the Governors job.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', 'i')f you or I sign a contract we are bound to abide by it so in what way should the state be different?

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')orry sweatshop cog, that's gonna be the Governors job.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')e said that the strike was not about collective bargaining rights

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')e said that the strike was not about collective bargaining rights

[gollum]

I guess republicans do tend to overplay their hand, they did it on the federal level back in 94 when they shut down the government, not they are going to do it on both the state level too by shutting down the federal government and various state governments. I predict Obama will gain and easy reelection along with democrats taking back a good share of house and senate seats they lost in the mid term elections. Most people in this country want government that functions in a somewhat efficient manner, not no government, and not government that is constantly in their face. Once again both parties fail but republicans more so.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')orry sweatshop cog, that's gonna be the Governors job.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', ' ')I predict Obama will gain and easy reelection along with democrats taking back a good share of house and senate seats they lost in the mid term elections.

[Cid_Yama]

He knows what is is trying to do. Whether he is too stupid or too arrogant is another matter.

The Republican Governors are simultaneously trying to break the Unions in their states.

The corporatists see themselves so close to total domination again, like in the early 20th Century, they are jumping the gun, and alerting the populace to what is going on.

The American people don't yet experience the horrible conditions the working class lived under during the early 1900's, but they can sense the direction it is going.

The American people need to be educated in the Progressive Movement of the late 1800's and early 1900's. If they knew that their ancestors died fighting to give them them an 8 hr day, which they now take for granted, instead of 16, and breaks, and not being chained to their workstation, and not having unsafe conditions that made deaths in the workplace a common occurence, and being raped as part of the job, they would realize the danger of the direction the country is taking.

Just ask non-unionized coal miners how wonderful working conditions are without a union.

[PrestonSturges]

Yep, they are going for total one party rule conrolled by a senile oligarchy of people that inherited their wealth.

I have to give them a lot of credit for bouncing back from 2008, but I also believe the "Citizens United" case was nothing less than naked corruption of the Supreme Court.

[Cog]

Once more the Trio of the Uninformed has drawn the wrong inferences from the mid-term elections. The electorate has made a conscious decision to vote in politicians who want to cut government at all levels. That is now taking place even in states with Libtard governors because the money for their wacky social engineering projects has gone away.

The progressives and far left never do learn their lesson even when its staring them right in the face. The next two years will be a nice lesson for them. And I intend to enjoy every bit of their angst and gnashing of teeth about it.

[Cid_Yama]

All you Fascists - Woody Guthrie

I’m gonna tell you fascists
You may be surprised
The people in this world
Are getting organized
You’re bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose

Race hatred cannot stop us
This one thing we know
Your poll tax and Jim Crow
And greed has got to go
You’re bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose.

All of you fascists bound to lose:
I said, all of you fascists bound to lose:
Yes sir, all of you fascists bound to lose:
You’re bound to lose! You fascists:
Bound to lose!

People of every color
Marching side to side
Marching ‘cross these fields
Where a million fascists die
You’re bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose!

I’m going into this battle
And take my union gun
We’ll end this world of slavery
Before this battle’s won
You’re bound to lose
You fascists bound to lose!

We already got rid of your Poll Tax and Jim Crow.

[Cog]

By all means invent some songs, beat on your tom-toms if it makes you feel better. Try desperately to recreate the 60's. Meanwhile, the producers will get back to work tomorrow while the mooching class continues their strike against the tax payers.

[Cid_Yama]

Invent some songs? These songs were written during the greatest struggle workers ever faced. Concessions were finally forced. 8 hr days, child labor laws, OSHA, collective bargaining. Now they are working to take it all away from a generation too young to remember how hard fought it had been to get the life they have enjoyed.

Union Maid

There once was a union maid, she never was afraid
Of goons and ginks and company finks and the deputy sheriffs who made the raid.
She went to the union hall when a meeting it was called,
And when the Legion boys come 'round
She always stood her ground.

Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,
I'm sticking to the union, I'm sticking to the union.
Oh, you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union,
I'm sticking to the union 'til the day I die.

This union maid was wise to the tricks of company spies,
She couldn't be fooled by a company stool, she'd always organize the guys.
She always got her way when she struck for better pay.
She'd show her card to the National Guard
And this is what she'd say

You gals who want to be free, just take a tip from me;
Get you a man who's a union man and join the ladies' auxiliary.
Married life ain't hard when you got a union card,
A union man has a happy life when he's got a union wife.