[sparky]

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Most people don't panic at the drop of a hat
they want to see real actual sustained catastrophes to think of the worst.
There is an ancestral memory of the worst in our genes
people prefer hard case denial , they are right

[joewp]

I thought it's been trying for years, but nobody seems to be interested.
This is the front page of USA Today in the wake of Katrina and Rita.


The article is still on line here: USATODAY.com - Debate brews: Has oil production peaked?

There was even some of our favorite geologists in the article:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;The least-bad scenario is a hard landing, global recession worse than the 1930s," says Kenneth Deffeyes, a Princeton University professor emeritus of geosciences. "The worst-case borrows from the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: war, famine, pestilence and death."

He's not kidding: Production of pesticides and fertilizers needed to sustain crop yields rely on large quantities of chemicals derived from petroleum. And Stanford University's Amos Nur says China and the United States could "slide into a military conflict" over oil.

[mos6507]

The title of that article, though is instructive. It's phrased as a question, not as a statement. The IEA has said that conventional oil has peaked. It's a statement. Now, it's a yawner on the basis that unconventional has and will continue to bridge the gap for some time to come. But obviously we're in a post-peak world in terms of conventional, so those who were screaming up and done that conventional wouldn't peak have lost the debate. It then moves on down to debating how long unconventional will forestall doom, and what that doom looks like.

This follows the same pattern as global warming. Is there global warming? Then it's "ok, there's global warming, but is it our fault?" and then "well, maybe it isn't so bad"? One defensive position after another as the situation continues to evolve under our feet. The common pattern being that we continue on the enterprise of BAU while ignoring the warning signs.

[dinopello]

Wasn't sure where to ppost this but just saw on TV. Alaskan Senator Lisa Murkowski giving a statement on rising oil prices

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e don’t import oil because our domestic reserves are exhausted – not even close. Since 1919 people have claimed that America is running out of oil. It might surprise you that we’re still the world’s third largest oil producer and seem to find more whenever we actually look.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'j')ust to get off topic, what happens if gas doesn't go to $25, what happens if it stays around $5 but the number of people who can afford $5 a gallon just gets smaller and smaller?

[davep]

Peak oil has been more or less accepted in French late-night talking head shows for a few years now.

Phrases such as L'ère de l'après-pétrole are often bandied about and nobody seems to disagree. But they never pursue the arguments to their logical conclusions, always assuming that some technofix can solve things. I guess in the country where 80% of electricity is produced from nuclear, this kind of dirigisme is seen to be normal.

[Asterisk]

Had to chime in. Just listened to Obama give a speech on energy and he said that his goal was to cut dependence on foreign oil by one third over the next decade.

WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT???!!!!

First of all, peak oil is going to cut it a lot more by then, and second what the hell would that do anyway?

How pathetic. I can only assume that he's saying that publicly but behind closed doors they know exactly what is going on and that we are screwed beyond all recognition.

It was just such a ridiculous goal that I had to come on here and vent.

[bratticus]

Peak oil going mainstream looks like mob stalking herbivorous solar conversion lignified carbon sequestration fertilization.

[bratticus]

is "mainstream" about repetition?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]@lamalgama
El próximo 9 de mayo se intentará hacer del hashtag #peakoil TT en España, así que se agradecerá la ayuda de todos http://xurl.es/6ld8x

[papa moose]

Cross post from:

Occupy Wall Street demonstrations spread across USA
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1081381.html#p1081381

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url]http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/[/url]
[Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url]http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/[/url]
[Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') do wonder how effective protests like these can be in our modern age; it seems to me that they are likely just inconveniencing some secretarial office workers, accountants, and low level agents. In the face of any serious protest, those with decisive power in finance could likely run their entire operation from their office at home for a substantial period of time. ie, those the protest means to annoy, aren't... those that the protest purports to want to help, are.