[crude_intentions]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'J')ust curious, how many young college liberals do you know to make such a statement? Most college students I know are broke and indebt to their eyeballs.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '
')
Just curious, how many young college liberals do you know to make such a statement? Most college students I know are broke and indebt to their eyeballs.

[TreeFarmer]

One problem was that state employees became so numerous that they could swing the results of an election. The politicians saw that being nice to the state's employees was an easy way to win re-election. Unfortunately for them, and everyone else, this strategy may have worked too well in the good times.

Also, years ago it was understood that if you were a government worker you made less than other workers but got a nice pension (relatively) when you retired. Then wages for government workers caught and passed private workers in the last 30 years on top of the nice pension.

I'm afraid the result is that government workers are now over paid and receive a pension of that is unaffordable.

TF

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, years ago it was understood that if you were a government worker you made less than other workers but got a nice pension (relatively) when you retired. Then wages for government workers caught and passed private workers in the last 30 years on top of the nice pension.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'P')ension plans will most likey change for NEW employees. State pensions are covered by law and just can't be changed like private plans. Tax payers WILL pick up any shortfalls, get over it and quit worrying about ppl that do have pensions.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('crude_intentions', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')
Young folks will get ripped off, but they probably won't mind their taxes being raised to pay the benefits to seniors. After all, young folks are mostly democrats and Obama supporters----all they care about is whether or not the politician is "cool.".....

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')m, this is definitely an EconoDoom watershed moment. If it actually happens, and states start declaring bankruptcy, that's big news. All those retirees with state pensions will face restructured benefit payments. I assume bondholders would eventually get paid, but who knows when.

[vision-master]

Ya think, welcome to the NWO.

@ least a 1% increase per year is better than losing yer job, reduced hours, benefits gone, forced relocation, long commutes or a paycut.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'P')ension plans will most likey change for NEW employees. State pensions are covered by law and just can't be changed like private plans. Tax payers WILL pick up any shortfalls, get over it and quit worrying about ppl that do have pensions.

[vision-master]

Minnesota is going to offer yearly retirements and NOT replace those current employees elgible for retirement. Then the State will make sure their is enough funds in the State pension plan. This will cost $$.

What they ain't telling ppl and I know from experience, these lost government workers (not management) will be replaced by contractors. This move is nothing more than a shell and pea game with the end result being, it will cost the State even more bc 'companies' need to profit. Our department could have saved over 1 million a year if some services were done in-house instead of being out-sourced.

BUT, Management likes out-sourcing bc it gives them more CONTROL.

[Cog]

Guess your free ride is coming to an end VM.

[vision-master]

How so? The State has already passed by law to kick in 15 million a year into the pension plan until 2031. Nope, things couldn't be better. FYI: A Repub Gov signed the bill.

Life's been good

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'G')uess your free ride is coming to an end VM.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ow so? The State has already passed by law to kick in 15 million a year into the pension plan until 2031. Nope, things couldn't be better. FYI: A Repub Gov signed the bill.

Life's been good

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'G')uess your free ride is coming to an end VM.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'G')uess your free ride is coming to an end VM.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ow so? The State has already passed by law to kick in 15 million a year into the pension plan until 2031. Nope, things couldn't be better. FYI: A Repub Gov signed the bill.

Life's been good

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ow so? The State has already passed by law to kick in 15 million a year into the pension plan until 2031. Nope, things couldn't be better. FYI: A Repub Gov signed the bill.

Life's been good

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ow so? The State has already passed by law to kick in 15 million a year into the pension plan until 2031. Nope, things couldn't be better. FYI: A Repub Gov signed the bill.

Life's been good

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'H')ow so? The State has already passed by law to kick in 15 million a year into the pension plan until 2031. Nope, things couldn't be better. FYI: A Repub Gov signed the bill.

Life's been good