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Unread postby Leanan » Tue 17 May 2005, 10:30:26

MSNBC has asked their readers to tell them how high gas prices are affecting them. You can read the answers here: link
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Unread postby FoxV » Tue 17 May 2005, 11:02:21

its nice to see that some people are getting it and buying smaller cars, and walking and biking more

but then
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m a single mom with two teenage boys living with me... I own a 2003 Ford F150 Pickup w/4.6 V8.

I could understand an mini-van, or even an SUV, but a pickup truck for a single mom??

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y 8-year-old sports car was due to retire and my wife's 4x4 had 40,000 miles on it since we bought it 1.5 years ago. So off to the dealership we went and home we came, with two brand new (4X4) gas guzzlers.

Now this just defies belief. Buying a new car because your "old" car has 40,000 miles on it. WTF??
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Unread postby heyhoser » Tue 17 May 2005, 11:07:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', 'N')ow this just defies belief. Buying a new car because your "old" car has 40,000 miles on it. WTF??


That's totally plausible. That's how capitalism thrives. Read 'A Brave New World' sometime to see how consumerism is the root of our society. Or check out how many Goodwills you have in your town as opposed to Belks and JC Pennys.
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Unread postby Leanan » Tue 17 May 2005, 11:35:25

And don't forget the rest of the story:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o off to the dealership we went and home we came, with two brand new gas guzzlers. Did I mention that I drive 74 miles each way to work. That's 150 a day. Can you think of a more comfortable way to spend those hours than in a big, comfortable vehicle? Me neither.


What an idiot.
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Unread postby some_guy282 » Tue 17 May 2005, 13:40:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'A')nd don't forget the rest of the story:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o off to the dealership we went and home we came, with two brand new gas guzzlers. Did I mention that I drive 74 miles each way to work. That's 150 a day. Can you think of a more comfortable way to spend those hours than in a big, comfortable vehicle? Me neither.


What an idiot.


lol. What a $%^ing idiot indeed. People like this are the ones who will be hit hardest by higher gas prices. Long commutes + gas guzzler = big trouble. I have 0 sympathy for idiots like this. They're going to get what they deserve.
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule. – Nietzsche

Time makes more converts than reason. – Thomas Paine

History is a set of lies agreed upon. – Napoleon Bonaparte
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Unread postby arretium » Tue 17 May 2005, 15:56:36

I just read that post by the gas guzzlers. I think they are likely fairly well off to have that attitude. Someone who is struggling to feed their family isn't going to go buy two new SUVs and flaunt it. Another possibility is that they are just faking it. Maybe they are people who disagree with the lifestyle and wrote up that message as a fake in order to get people somewhat angry about SUV drivers.
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Unread postby Leanan » Tue 17 May 2005, 16:07:43

I wondered if the person who wrote that was some kind of rightwing nutjob. The kind who'd claim they'd never stop driving, even if gas was $200 an ounce, and made up that story to prove it.

But I think it might be for real. And he might not be that rich. Someone rolling in the dough probably wouldn't be driving an 8-year-old car. He may actually have seen these "temporary" high gas prices as a buying opportunity. A chance to save money on a gas-guzzler. The price was so good, he had to buy two!
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Unread postby RiverRat » Tue 17 May 2005, 16:54:30

If I’ve said it once … I’ve said it a thousand times.

I do not understand people’s fascination with an object that depreciates at such a rapid rate. Detroit has done a fabulous job at brain washing the masses.

I drove my Honda Civic for almost 11 years and put over 250,000 miles on it. These people that buy new cars every two years are really getting bent over (if they do not apply a sizeable down payment). I’ve got a feeling that their momma’s did not pay them any attention when they were babies.
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Unread postby Leanan » Wed 18 May 2005, 01:17:36

It's just like those giant stone statues on Easter Island. Conspicuous consumption. Proof of your wealth and success, to impress prospective mates and intimidate prospective rivals.
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Unread postby Roy » Wed 18 May 2005, 08:56:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's just like those giant stone statues on Easter Island. Conspicuous consumption. Proof of your wealth and success, to impress prospective mates and intimidate prospective rivals.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Nail, meet hammer.

Good observation.
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A Question about gas Pumps

Unread postby duke3522 » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 11:04:25

This morning I was speaking to someone about how in 1979 I was working at an Amoco gas station when gas went over $1 for the first time. The pumps handled the price change OK except that we had to add a little $1 sticker at the beginning of the price.

So she asks me a question I have never thought about. If we have a huge price spike, can today’s pumps handle $10+ gas? I know $10 gas is a long way off, and I would think that modern pumps would handle it without a problem. But we never thought we would see $1 gas back when I was a kid.
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Re: A Question about gas Pumps

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 23:00:48

The pumps in my area have their prices listed digitally, so I don't reckon it's a problem at all for most stations.
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Re: A Question about gas Pumps

Unread postby Ancien_Opus » Sun 14 Aug 2005, 23:28:57

In the 1970's most gas pumps where still mechanical. Similar to cars a lot of the issues with timing and delivery systems have been taken over by electrical/magnetic pickups. The impeller in the pump circles one time and a small magnetic pulse is sent to the digital read indicating a known volume has been delivered. No direct contact to the moving parts. This is identical to the timing pickup in your car that tells the sparkplugs to fire. It's really quite simple and reliable. At theTexaco Station I worked at, we'd have impellers wear out on the mechanical drives and they'd start pumping a lot more gas. That just won't happen anymore. The digital pumps will have no problems at $10.00/gallon or 10 Euro's/liter. Now the economy at those prices, now that's something that will fail!
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High Gasoline Prices Lead to Rip-offs at the Pump

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 18:25:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ichigan
Bills crack down on gasoline gougers
House measures target stations that cheat their customers on quality, amount of fuel sold.
By Charlie Cain / Detroit News Lansing Bureau

LANSING -- With gas prices inching toward the $3-a-gallon neighborhood, state lawmakers are anxious to show solidarity with beleaguered motorists.
Translation: politicians want to look like they are doing something, as if.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t 10:30 a.m. on Wednesday, during an unusual joint meeting of the House Transportation and Agriculture committees in the Capitol Building, lawmakers are expected to approve and send to the full House a pair of bills to go after gas stations that cheat customers by selling lower-grade fuel at premium prices or by charging them a gallon's price for less than a gallon of gas.
Translation: things are so bad gas stations are ripping off the clientele probably just to get by.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')With the price of gas continuing to rise we need to make sure customers are actually getting what they pay for," House Speaker Craig DeRoche, R-Novi, said in a statement.
Yes, they need to get all the gasoline they need because consumption is GOOD and growth is GOOD and it is our PATRIOTIC DUTY to consume gasoline so that it does not fall into ENEMY HANDS.

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Re: High Gasoline Prices Lead to Rip-offs at the Pump

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 19:32:13

Yes! Patriotism GOOD! (Except it was BAD in the mid-90s when Patriot was a bad word!) and consumption GOOD (except in real wartime when it's "use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without") and it's the PATRIOTIC DUTY of 'murricans to go out and buy a new Hummer with the special radio locked onto the local Rush station and I don't mean the band that that gave us the song "Take Off - To The Great White North".
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Re: High Gasoline Prices Lead to Rip-offs at the Pump

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 06:34:06

If the politicians really wanted to help things, they could try to make their locales less dependent upon oil itself. But alas, that would mean they would have to try a system that doesn't maximize consumption and growth and instead embraces the fact that our resources are finite.

What a world. To sugest that the oil companies should see less of their product consumed and should see an end to their reliance is tantamount to treason in this country. But ending our reliance upon them is the only way we can lessen the effects of the global calamity peak oil is causing. Ending that reliance makes the oil industry cry foul: peak oil is indeed making them much wealthier and granting to them profits that keep increasing.

Heres to hoping someone takes out a couple refinaries and teaches this country a lesson it needs to learn: use less oil or lose your wallet.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Re: High Gasoline Prices Lead to Rip-offs at the Pump

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 11:36:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'W')hat a world. To sugest that the oil companies should see less of their product consumed and should see an end to their reliance is tantamount to treason in this country.

Treason or political suicide?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ack in the 70's, President Carter called for the moral equivalent of war to reduce our dependence on foreign oil; he was not re-elected. Since then, few politicians have spoken of an energy crisis or suggested that major policy changes are necessary to avert one. The energy bill signed earlier this month by President Bush did not even raise fuel-efficiency standards for passenger cars.
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Re: High Gasoline Prices Lead to Rip-offs at the Pump

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 18:23:01

The largest factor in Carter not winning in '80 was likely Reagan paying the hostage holders in Iran to keep the hostage crisis going. That made Carter appear incompetent, just as Bush does today. Meanwhile, the bastards that commit treason get 'elected' president.

You know what's interesting? We could increase the fuel economy of our cars and light trucks by nearly 50% without even changing the engines that power them, but instead by reducing the places on the car's body that generate turbulence along with using low rolling resistance tires, correcting brake drag, using synthetic transmission oil, ect.

But alas. The lemmings in this country don't understand how much they're getting ripped off and how much they've been forcibly lead into the car culture by an industry that hates mass transit and tore down most of it in the 1940s(Because access to mass transit means less cars are sold and used), and now pushes upon them high maintenance gas guzzlers that serve to part consumers with their money and nothing more.
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Re: High Gasoline Prices Lead to Rip-offs at the Pump

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 18:31:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'T')he largest factor in Carter not winning in '80 was likely Reagan paying the hostage holders in Iran to keep the hostage crisis going. That made Carter appear incompetent, just as Bush does today.

But that was the method, not the motivation. Carter's "got to make sacrfices for our children" play rubbed the greedy rich the wrong way causing them to back Reagan.
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Sick and tired of that catchphrase: "Pain at the Pumps&

Unread postby ClassicSpiderman » Sat 17 May 2008, 09:50:17

http://tinyurl.com/3qt8sa

Don't get me wrong, I love the doomer porn sound of self-entitled SUV drivers squealing like stuck pigs every time the price of gas goes up, but there are more costs to driving a car rather than the price of gas. But I think the mainstream press needs a new headline for sure.
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