[Cloud9]

Exactly, those of us from the conservative persuasion find the same glazed over distant stare in the eyes of our liberal friends when we put forth the notion that government cannot solve our problems.

Gentlemen and ladies none of us know the facts. There are too many facts to be known. All of us have seized on a few data points that seem to confirm our positions. With these facts we flog each other. None of us are going to change our minds.

Assertions that one side possesses the intelligence while the other side is populated by blithering idiots are simply pseudoscience.

[bluekachina]

I appears that there is a evolutionary fork where there are two dominant competing survival strategies. This is pretty much how evolution works. One survival strategy will eventually prove more successful than the other, and the other fork will die out. So far it appears these two survival strategies, though different, have both proved successful. That is why they are dominant, for there is most certainly a wider selection than just the two.

Obviously one strategy is, "there are winners and losers, and the losers deserve nothing because they lost.", and the other, "we are all in this boat together, and if we work together we can enhance our survival."

One is exclusionary, the other inclusive. A very fundamental difference. But obviously since both are dominant strategies, both have been successful in the past.

Is the exclusionary strategy older than the inclusive one? Perhaps. But I doubt it.

Paleocultures were egalitarian, when population was limited and resource pressures also limited.

One would expect the hierarchical, exclusionary strategy to have developed as populations grew and and resources became scarce.

But as we've seen time and again, unequal distribution eventually secumbs to revolutions and other events.

Which, if either, will be a successful strategy in the future is anybody's guess.

I would guess that the egaltarian strategy will prove most successful in a post apocalyptic world as it provides a wider access to various skills among the group.

The hierarchical exclusionary strategy requires a hierarchy to survive. With the collapse of civilization, there will be no way to enforce unequal distribution, no collusionary masses to allow such a system to survive.

[vision-master]

'They' will emerge from here.

Direct flight to underground bunkers. Paid for by taxpayer's of course.

[Cloud9]

I am not sure the debate can be couched in setting up liberals as embracing hierarchies and conservatives as anarchists. Could it not be said that the Nazi revolution was conservative in nature? It was xenophobic and homophobic. It was racist in the extreme. It sought to annihilate the communists.

And yet after all of that, it embraced a hierarchy in its purest form in the cult worship of the leader.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', '
')Gentlemen and ladies none of us know the facts. There are too many facts to be known.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bluekachina', '
')The hierarchical exclusionary strategy requires a hierarchy to survive. With the collapse of civilization, there will be no way to enforce unequal distribution, no collusionary masses to allow such a system to survive.

[Cloud9]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')h, the FUD card gets pulled out yet again to rationalize the continuation of BAU.

[Asterisk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')The same can be said about Liberals/Progressives etc.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot true. What I am referring to is conservatives/libertarians/creationists/climate deniers inability to reason even when presented with facts that contradict what they are saying.

[Cloud9]

One liberal world view was that if concealed carry laws were passed in several states that those states would be awash in shootouts and homicides. That simply did not happen.

A second liberal world view was that progressives would through government intervention end inequality and poverty in the United States.

[EnergyUnlimited]

...and third Liberal fallacy is that expansion of rights and entitlements is sustainable in our society.

[ian807]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '.')..and third Liberal fallacy is that expansion of rights and entitlements is sustainable in our society.

[Cloud9]

The neocons and corporate elitist are not conservatives.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')he neocons and corporate elitist are not conservatives.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', '
')A second liberal world view was that progressives would through government intervention end inequality and poverty in the United States.

[Vogelzang]

It explains why the left are sociopaths.

[Vogelzang]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html

[Vogelzang]

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in ... ama-resume

[AgentR11]

Error in first suggestion.

Is "primitive" a positive or negative trait?
I'm not convinced its negative..

[Asterisk]

Being primitive is a positive trait if you live in Africa. It's also positive if you are a supermacho guy who likes to slap up women every once in awhile.

But if you are a middle class liberal guy with a family, I would venture to say being "primitive" is not something to be proud of.