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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 14:02:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'B')y the way Xeno, that little home/garage NG compressor in your pictures is a fake. Or rather it was until the company went out of business. No way that a $5,000 100 psi compressor is going to the market.


So I'll go build one. It wasn't that hard the last time I did it, but whats the matter? Now that there are actually CNG cars available for sale you focus on something so horrifying complex as...a gas compressor?

OMG! WE ALL MUST DIE BECAUSE OF PEAK GAS COMPRESSORS FOR OUR CNG POWERED CARS!!

Good one....you do realize this is a brave new year this morning, right? A brave new world with plentiful fuel supplies, and CNG, EV and H2 powered cars running around the streets of America? Reality can be a real pain for a McDoomster I suppose....but hang in there! If someone won't build a CNG conversion for your POS Tracker, I'm sure I can jimmy one up...done that before as well, just not to a motor that big. Well, maybe that big, those things have like midget 1.6L 4 bangers in them....?
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 14:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'B')y the way Xeno, that little home/garage NG compressor in your pictures is a fake. Or rather it was until the company went out of business. No way that a $5,000 100 psi compressor is going to the market.


So I'll go build one.

You do that little boy.


Already did it. Already said it too, but you snipped it. Whats funny is, I don't need to, because I plug my car in instead! I was recommending the local Civic-GXs for sale for others limited to some old POS who might want to step proudly into the alternatively powered transport future. Of course, we can't assume those types even know what a compressor is, let alone how to build a little one to fill up their car.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby KingM » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 19:34:36

Can you guys please stop with the childish taunts and insults and start discussing your differences like rational adults?
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 19:48:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'C')an you guys please stop with the childish taunts and insults and start discussing your differences like rational adults?


Of course I can. But you must admit, it can be difficult when someone calls you a liar in every other post, or a Republican, deleted
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 20:28:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')How would you create the necessary NG infrastructure for all regional transport, and not just urban areas currently supplied with dense NG supply lines?


There are 300,000 miles of natural gas pipeline in the US. Got some leading right up to the corner of my house. I don't have to create anything, especially for the millions of American homes which heat them with natural gas. Go...we start with those millions, and work on the rest next decade? Sound fair?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')Any ideas?


Just listed one. deleted.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 21:12:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '
')There are 300,000 miles of natural gas pipeline in the US. Got some leading right up to the corner of my house.

My house. My house. My house.


Well, lets just try this then. NG pipelines in America. Go add up all the people who live near one. Want to bet some significant majority of this countries population lives within, say 50 miles of one? These are just the big ones by the way. Certainly the ones I laid down some years ago aren't even on this map.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/natu ... es_map.jpg

Fortunately, for those who don't or can't use cheap and clean and plentiful natural gas, we have plenty of crude left for them to use, or can make it from that same natural gas.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby KingM » Sat 01 Jan 2011, 21:16:30

I guess the answer is no, you guys can't discuss the issues like rational adults, but must insist on insulting, name calling, etc.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sun 02 Jan 2011, 11:44:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') will make it simple for you.

What has/will change(d) in the transport environment in the US, such that natural gas vehicles become possible/acceptable to the driving public? Simple question. There remains virtually no market penetration here. Why?


The price of gasoline and diesel remains too low.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby KingM » Sun 02 Jan 2011, 20:36:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')No one has countered my arguments. here. much. less. you. or xeno.


I'm not trying to counter anyone's arguments. I don't think I have enough information on the subject, which is one of the reasons I'm reading this thread. I just want people to have a rational discussion instead of letting the thread degenerate. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby Xenophobe » Sun 02 Jan 2011, 21:38:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', ' ')I just want people to have a rational discussion instead of letting the thread degenerate. I don't think that's too much to ask.


Completely reasonable.

So, here is the uptake on CNG transport. It is used on all sorts of mass transit, it's used in certain types of hybrid mass transit (saw a few in Vegas a couple months back), you can buy a CNG powered Honda Civic in America without too much trouble, and T. B. Pickens, for all his peak oil failings, seems to recognize that with as much natural gas as America has, it might be a reasonable idea to use some for transport, rather than paying foreign powers to send us ever more costly crude.

I, like millions of other Americans who heat our homes with the stuff, are a few joints of 1" line pipe and a small compressor in the garage from being able to fuel these things right at home. With hundreds of thousands of miles of pipelines ready to go, infrastructure certainly isn't any trouble.

The rub, as usual, is in those who certainly aren't about to change unless someone, or something, makes them, or there are incentives. The incentive business seems to work much better for anything EV rather than CNG powered. I would attribute that to lobby power, the electric utilities in this country are substantially better represented than the small independent natural gas drillers in America. Those electric utilities REALLY want a slice of the billions Americans spend on fuel for their transport. Natural pipeline infrastructure is good, but electric distribution across the country has it beat, hands down.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby TheAntiDoomer » Sun 02 Jan 2011, 21:46:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')No one has countered my arguments. here. much. less. you. or xeno.


I'm not trying to counter anyone's arguments. I don't think I have enough information on the subject, which is one of the reasons I'm reading this thread. I just want people to have a rational discussion instead of letting the thread degenerate. I don't think that's too much to ask.
You sir apparently are a Troll-Enabler. You must be unable or unwilling to take the correct side in a this debate (mine) or discern the difference between reasonable discussion and the distractions of a disruptive disingenuous (ad hom deleted) like Xeno. Shame :razz:


KingM is just trying to learn more about the subject and make a reasonable judgement on the subject for himself, nothing wrong with that. I personally believe we can switch a lot of our vehicles to natural gas, as some of teh poorest countries on earth have already proven that it can be done.
"The human ability to innovate out of a jam is profound.That’s why Darwin will always be right, and Malthus will always be wrong.” -K.R. Sridhar


Do I make you Corny? :)

"expect 8$ gas on 08/08/08" - Prognosticator
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Postby TheAntiDoomer » Sun 02 Jan 2011, 21:54:58

Westport Innovations has part of order for 50 liquefied natural gas trucks

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busine ... 45944.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')estport Innovations Inc. (TSX:WPT) said Tuesday that it has received orders for its engine and fuel system technology to be included in 50 liquefied natural gas trucks.
Terms of the order with B.C.-based Vedder Transport Ltd. weren't released.
Westport said its engines, fuel tanks and electrical components are part the order for the 50 Peterbilt trucks that Vedder is buying.
"The human ability to innovate out of a jam is profound.That’s why Darwin will always be right, and Malthus will always be wrong.” -K.R. Sridhar


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