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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 11:23:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'I') see a die off as the end result. The question is will we all die in camps, scrambling in a street for crumbs, or like free humans.


So you're saying I'm correct now:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'R')ead about libertarianism and die anyway in the PO collapse and de-population. That seems to be your advise.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 11:30:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'A')s you have lived on your knees Carl, so you will die on your knees. That seems to be your advice Carl.


If you feel such an existential threat (sheep to the slaughter, as you keep describing) why don't you put your money where your mouth is? You think being some sort of keyboard jockey whistleblower is going to help matters? Your contribution to peakoil.com of late has been nothing but scouring the web for any and all signs and portents that we're headed for your rather cliche'd vision of a police state. Maybe you should listen to Carl (who we all know is a 911 troother extraordinaire) when he reminds you that we are headed for a malthusian die off. You know, larger issues than the latest Zerohedge tinfoil blog.

So while you're busy describing imaginary dystopias via slippery slopes, you're kicking back to some hot chocolate by your high speed internet connection with all the lavish trimmings (by most people's standards) of modern life. I say you don't know what a real oppressive state is. Maybe take a vacation in NK if you want to see it for real.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Revi » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 11:37:14

We're just happy that Farmer Jones hasn't sent us to the knacker yet.

I had to take a week of sick days last week. That would not have been possible if I was living in a wild state.

Maybe I would have been healthier and not gotten sick in the first place.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 13:33:46

Do you not recognize the false dicotomy? It is not either the Capitalists or the State. It's both, or rather neither. The top Capitalists are not Capitalists because they abhor a free market. That's why we don't have one. Everything flows to the top.

The State is no longer the protector of the little guy. It is now the middle managment facilitator for the top 2%.

So we have neither a Democracy nor a Capitalist system.

We have a Kleptocratic Plutocracy.

One thing that appears to be overlooked is that We the People are not the laborers, we are the crop. How well you pamper the crop, determines the size of the harvest. Hold back on water or fertilizer and there is little to harvest.

The sheeple will not have anything to fleece for a long time.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 13:43:26

My God Cid the Yapper you got it right, I underestimated your abilities. The sheep ear tag#mos6507 wasn't even close.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 15:49:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his video cannot be arguing for anything except a perfected ideal of Communism.


Uh, no. You guys don't know what you're talking about (no offense). Stephan Molyneaux is a minarchist. He is farthest from Communism as can be.

Here is the definition of Liberty to someone who thinks like Molyneaux:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfJJQtKB ... r_embedded

Molyneaux's best work, IMO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P772Eb63qIY
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby sparky » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 16:16:01

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It seems a bit overblown to compare human society to a farm ,
It always is a protection racket ,
the first social grouping is the gang , the next is the warlord
priests and judge are a cost benefit variable ,
the worst case of this was Communist East Germany with 18% of the labor force being in the police
when a government emerge ,
it tend to grow ,
the number of people who jump on the gravy train of public finances is on a constant rise
even more as the working people have to be kept in check because of increase in protection cost
and the rulers need even more people to have ideas around them
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 17:01:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')It seems a bit overblown to compare human society to a farm ,
It always is a protection racket..


I'm not sure why it's supposed to be a bad thing even if you view society as just a "human farm." It's just a fact that large groups of social animals MUST have some kind of pecking order and structure in order to enable social cooperation. Look at bees.. they have a queen, workers, and drones. Could the hive survive if all the drones just fluffed off and smelled flowers all day?

The whole video is just silly, it's trying to question fundamental social dynamics, but to some extent these same dynamics are found in all social animals so you can safely conclude that it's requirement, not an option.

Even our closest relatives, the chimps and apes, have these dynamics in their groups. This is just who we are folks, we've developed this way because of evolutionary pressures and it turns out how we are is the BEST way to survive. It's been successful, we're the apex species on the planet.

So if mother nature has declared homo sapiens all-time champion, what's there to feel bad about? Logic suggests if our ancestors had shun social groups then we'd be extinct by now.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 17:07:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')e're not the only animals that live in social groups, with social hierarchies, and we're certainly not the only animals who use aggression and force to sort out where everyone stands in that social order. Actually, it's a pretty basic dynamic among mammals .. the strongest animals win the mate and therefore pass on their genes, the strongest and most dominant rise to alpha male, etc.


You would be hard-pressed to find any libertarian who would suggest that human civilization isn't the product of people being part of social groups.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Revi » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 18:23:39

It's another way of looking at things. I agree with him. We do live on a human farm. There are people who live off of the excess we produce for them. We are the peons. It's obvious in some places. I used to live in Central America and there are places where people never get off the farm they were born on. They live in debt slavery and never get ahead. How is that so different from the way we live? I know people with credit card debt. Some of the rates can go up to 30%. How are they ever going to dig out from under that?
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 28 Dec 2010, 20:48:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')The whole video is just silly
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So if mother nature has declared homo sapiens all-time champion, what's there to feel bad about? Logic suggests if our ancestors had shun social groups then we'd be extinct by now.


Oh, Sixstrings, don't you know the illuminaughties have an ear-tag ready for you! Doom on you, doom on you! ;)

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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 29 Dec 2010, 17:31:47

Oh Sheep with eartag #Mos6507, don't be bitter, you can always wedge yourself into the chute tighter with the other sheep. It will make you feel more secure.
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 29 Dec 2010, 17:34:11

Hi Mos, you should thank me you know. Now that you are focused on your ear tag, you have quit obsessing about "OBAMA".
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Revi » Wed 29 Dec 2010, 21:22:36

Four legs good, two legs baaad...
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Re: The Story of Your Enslavement

Unread postby Novus » Mon 03 Jan 2011, 15:28:50

This video is a million times better than the one in the OP:

"Statism is ex post facto justification of human ownership."
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