[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Damn Mos, you are stuck in a funk.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', '
')These experiences combined with other ones unmentioned (I don't want to write a novel here) give me the impression that there is this poisones individualism at work, but really what society is offering is a selection of stereotype to choose from. Most people of my generation seem to judge themselves with such prerequisites. They would rather fit in with the crowd then truly be individuals.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')And pray tell what martyring yourself to the cause is doing to resolve these complex issues?

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ') Nothing's going to be resolved if we all just lighten up and try to just live day to day.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')The transition will be resolved through how consequences act on our society as it lives day by day.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '
')
Don't hold your breath. Hundreds of years after Malthus claimed the same basic thing, we're still waiting.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')I don't know why you think I don't. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')Would you like to tell Richard Heinberg and Bill McKibben to pack it in as well because they aren't maximizing their personal happiness by emphasizing the negative?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Of course they are not mutually exclusive. That is the point I was making. You seemed to be getting a little evangelical which is why I reminded you. I normally wouldn't have commented except you seemed to need a gentle reminder of perspective. I've been there dude so I spotted the obsession.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')They both have to be sobered by the momentum of the mass of humanity on the planet compared to the statistically rather irrelevant following they have generated.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')They both have to be sobered by the momentum of the mass of humanity on the planet compared to the statistically rather irrelevant following they have generated.

[SeaGypsy]

It never rang true with me that because I am in a traumatic situation I must be traumatised.
I went through some very intense grieving and still 'worry' about the future, especially for my children.
But the futility of dwelling in misery about things too big for me to change eventually struck me as an imposition on my too short life.

Easier to justify trying to do the things which have the ring of truth about them in your heart of hearts.
I believe there are quantum level influences human beings are capable of which are thwarted completely by being fixed in a negative mindset.

The MSM works on our minds in this way. We are constantly fed the 3 part diet:

Incomplete news stories with enough negative slant to scare us but not enough information to do anything with (When was the last time you saw a MSM news article with a list of people to lobby at the end, except perhaps in a natural disaster situation?).

Distraction, 'entertainment news', celebrity gossip.

Abstraction, market hype.

All serving to keep us nicely confused, pliable consumers of no threat to the runnings of the machine.
If anyone seriously threatens the works, they are terminated, joining the Darwin awards.
We are forcibly kept politicly impotent only when the mass hypnosis machine fails to render us 'Law abiding Citizens'. You want Zombies? No need to wait for post peak apocalypse, just look outside your door if you live in megalopolis.

The anger stage of grief is I feel the most transformative; be it channeled creatively and intelligently or destructively and dangerously. It is only in deeply personalised anger in relation to fear which will motivate severe change in an individual's life. When I meet people who have deep understanding of the reasons for collective grief, I tend to see them through the prism: "So what have you done, what are you doing about it, do you have a cohesive strategy to cope and gain optimal perspective?"
If the optimal perspective is based in denial of the very reasons for collective grief, it cannot be a fully developed conception. But if the burden of knowlege is such that it has broken the spirit of the knower, then, well it would breach the CoC to suggest the next likely step. That being socially unacceptabe, reunification with the Zombie Nation seems to be a very common outcome. Just like the other Zombies, but with a 'Doomspeak' (TM) chip.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')Again, is evangelism not a retreat into coping with one self? Ultimately underneath the holier than thou evangelism one espouses is the SELF taking care of itself.

[paimei01]

http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/chapter4-1.php
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s that word mine indicates, ownership implies an attachment of things to self. The more we own, the more we are. The constellation of me and mine grows. But no matter how large the discrete and separate self grows, it is still far smaller than the self of the hunter-gatherer. The pre-separation mind is able to affirm, all at once and without contradiction, "I am this body," "I am this tribe," "I am the jungle," "I am the world." No matter how much of the jungle we control, we are smaller than the one who knows, "I am the jungle." No matter how dominant we are socially, we are far less than one who knows, "I am my tribe." And far less secure, too, because all of these appendages to our tiny separate selves may be easily sundered from us. We are therefore perpetually and irremediably insecure. We go to great lengths to protect all these accessories of identity, our possessions and money and reputations, and when our house is burglarized, our wallet stolen, or our reputation besmirched, we feel as if our very selves have been violated.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')All serving to keep us nicely confused, pliable consumers of no threat to the runnings of the machine.
If anyone seriously threatens the works, they are terminated, joining the Darwin awards.
We are forcibly kept politicly impotent only when the mass hypnosis machine fails to render us 'Law abiding Citizens'. You want Zombies? No need to wait for post peak apocalypse, just look outside your door if you live in megalopolis.

[Serial_Worrier]

How many of us live in either one of these extreme states? Myself and everyone I know exists as part of a social group with responsibilities and expectations. However I do sense there is a hyper-individualists/anti-social element among doomers...

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'H')ow many of us live in either one of these extreme states? Myself and everyone I know exists as part of a social group with responsibilities and expectations. However I do sense there is a hyper-individualists/anti-social element among doomers...

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'W')hat some people fail completely to understand is that as a direct consequence of resource constraints, big Government will not continue to exist in it's current form. The more complex the system the more vulnerable to collapse and Government is the most complex system. The continual argument that we need Government to provide emergency services is complete garbage. Any man worth his salt anywhere will willingly volunteer for such community work 1 day a week, for example.

Remember the slogan, 'Think globally, act locally'? Well the 1st bit is still sinking in.....

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '
')downloading from the digital machine. It is lonely and dark.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '
')Free market capitalism does not require big nanny state government!