[sparky]

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An Socrate refuted him by walking in front of the crowd ,
Zenon forgot to mention that an infinitesimal increase take an infinitesimal time

it's not a replacement which will appear , it's a substitute

[meemoe_uk]

lol at humourous post by xenophobe on different sub-cults within the LATOC cult. latoc was my first non mass media believer community and I learnt a lot of alternative thinking there. Argued with RGRulez alot. Turned out he was more right than I was about peakoil. I came to my senses, I realised Matt was just creating a fear led drone army for himself to sell crap to. So I left latoc and came here.
For a long time, everyone was of the strong opinion that Dec 2005 was month of all time peak oil. And I believed it and that civ was about to crash. But then the record was broken and nothing peakoil like seemed to happen. The subprime mortgage bubble burst, which I couldn't see was related to peakoil.
And other voices I came to trust in the alternative media were saying peakoil was just another scare story.
After reading alot on the history of oil, how the rockfellers and british had monopolised world oil reserves, it became clear that they controled world oil, and had crushed most strong aternative energy source contenders, such as nuclear ( uranium and thorium ), ocean current and wave, solar power, geothermal, and muon induced fusion. There are probably many others. The world power elite see energy as a commodity to be as tightly controled as possible, no way are they going to allow a free market for wildcat independant energy group competitors to muscle them out.
It's likely there are vast oil reserves around the world, that the oil cartel have set aside in some countries they've made very poor, to the point they can't tap they're own resources independantly. Beginning in 2001, as the oil wells from the 60s and 70s began to run short of world oil demand, the oil cartel selected some of the undeveloped reserved countries for oil developement.
Well, it strikes me that this process will be repeated every 30 years or so, with some new place around the word. This time it was the middle east. Next time it could be west africa, a place the size of europe, mostly unsurveyed for oil.
Geological peak oil is a physical certainty. But doubtful it's threat to civ. Certainly no need to fuss about it now or the next 20 years. Hundreds of new wells are being built in the middle east and libya that'll meet world demand.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'l')ol at humourous post by xenophobe on different sub-cults within the LATOC cult. latoc was my first non mass media believer community and I learnt a lot of alternative thinking there. Argued with RGRulez alot. Turned out he was more right than I was about peakoil. I came to my senses, I realised Matt was just creating a fear led drone army for himself to sell crap to. So I left latoc and came here.

[meemoe_uk]

I made a couple of poor efforts to find RGR. No luck. He was a oil engineer who'd come and laugh at PO doomers like I laugh at AGW doomers. Maybe latoc forum still has his posts and member info. But it was 4-5 years ago.

>Which is quite a bit higher than any peakers are willing to admit. It used to be 5 billion barrels, then 50, then 500, now its like 2200 billions.
The key thing for me, is that 98% of the oil energy is wasted entirely on non essentials like war industry, sports industry, media industry, luxury industry, transport industry, bent medical industry, gimmick\crap\toy industry, massive centralization, all in a consumer economy where nothing is built to last, because the sooner it breaks the sooner more can be sold, etc.
Weighing it all up, I really think there's a very good chance the essential economy civ can get by well without the massive fossil fuel consumption. It would be a jolt to make the switch suddenly, but long term it looks quite doable to me. But don't take my word for it. I had to reason, debate and read alot to come to this conclusion.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '
')The key thing for me, is that 98% of the oil energy is wasted entirely on non essentials like war industry, sports industry, media industry, luxury industry, transport industry, bent medical industry, gimmick\crap\toy industry, massive centralization, all in a consumer economy where nothing is built to last, because the sooner it breaks the sooner more can be sold, etc.

[meemoe_uk]

>And this RGR person helped?
Yes. I found him awkward, in a way I expect AGWers find skeptics awkward. But he was rational, with a different solid outlook on the issue. After an argument and I'd cooled off, I found myself following up his leads, and while it felt they were somewhat missing the point, they figured. When I found other anti-peak-oil proponents, they'd sometimes compound what RGR said. This gradually made me receptive to the possiblity of PO not being a doom issue.

I don't know about a gun hobby, but yes RGR is the acronym for ReserveGrowthRulez.[url=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reserv ... 151c0ba26e]This link [/url] is a good google search for him. I'm not registered with any of the sites he goes on. Don't know if you are. Maybe we can get direct contact off details from one of those sites.

Actually it's possible RocDoc knows RGR, I'll PM him.

I was amused browsing RGRs posts. His humourous take on doomers reminds me of the lolz we have with AGWers.

>as of late I've been advocating for $200/oil. You would think they would all chime in on this wonderful idea
Well it's a constructive idea that attempts to stem the problem. Most doomers aren't in it for that. They just like doom, so no don't expect much back up there.

>...using the power of economics to crater demand in such a way that it will force humans to leave as much oil in the ground as possible.
With the anglo-american oil cartel in control, keeping us in the dark wrt the true picture of oil reserves of the world, along with alternative energy sources, it's hard to pick the absolute price for a barrel of oil.
A crucial point to consider -
- If the price of oil is high, the anglo-american oil cartel creates a problem for itself
- The whole world would be stimulated into finding new energy sources, outside the control of the cartel.
- this is bad for oil cartel, so they want to keep oil cheap.
- this is why world oil has been on the most part very cheap!
The 120 year history of oil geopolitics is the anglo-american cartel running around the world shooting down any compentant energy industry that is not compliant to the cartel.
I'd recommend William Engdahl's book - 'A century of war' as a short primer on this oil geopolitics history, with the corollary that William doesn't fully understand moneychanger methods.

Rock on.

[KingM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t has occurred to me that RGR is Xenophobe is Shortonsense. Same troll.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t has occurred to me that RGR is Xenophobe is Shortonsense. Same troll.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '
')Actually it's possible RocDoc knows RGR, I'll PM him.
I was amused browsing RGRs posts. His humourous take on doomers reminds me of the lolz we have with AGWers.

[meemoe_uk]

Found him, on that same thread. Chance to pick up some new info now my peakoil tunnel vision has gone.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'F')ound him, on that same thread. Chance to pick up some new info now my peakoil tunnel vision has gone.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually it's possible RocDoc knows RGR, I'll PM him.
I was amused browsing RGRs posts.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ctually it's possible RocDoc knows RGR, I'll PM him.
I was amused browsing RGRs posts.

[rockdoc123]

For clarity, Reservegrowthrulz wasn't a "peak oil denier" if there is such a thing. The message he was bringing was what his moniker said...reserve growth through time does happen. The issue that wasn't well understood by a lot of people on this board is that reserves and not the same thing as resources. What is actually booked as reserves is generally only P1 or P1 and P2. Up until just recently the SEC didn't even want to hear about P3. The idea of reserve growth is that through time P2 becomes P1, P3 becomes P2 which eventually becomes P1. Campbell and others realized the difficulty in dealing with this problem which was why they attempted to backdate discoveries. A great idea but it ended up with results that were only as good as the data they had to work with.
Some of the important events that happened while RGR was here was oil going through $100 which basically made much of the Venezuelan and Albertan heavy oil economic which meant it suddenly could become reserves rather than resources. As a consequence Venezuela's reserves increased incredibly as did Alberta's. If you didn't understand the process it was easy to cry foul as many here did.
In the end it doesn't mean there will not be peak oil but what it does is instruct as to what level peak might be reached at as well as how long the world will produce at that rate.

[meemoe_uk]

>Some of the important events that happened while RGR was here was oil going through $100 which basically made much of the Venezuelan and Albertan heavy oil economic which meant it suddenly could become reserves rather than resources.
Have those reserves now reverted back to resources now the >$100 price turned out to be a spike?
It's interesting to speculate what that spike was about. A klaxon, to get all companys with oil developement capability to drop whatever they're doing and join the party?

>Peak oil denialists on this message board?
Its designed to maintain group cohesion, assemble an us vs them competition.

This answer by Xenophobe is the most direct answer to the thread question. So it's worth exploring a little. Having the enemy within the gates is a great & efficient way to keep a group together. A 'Throwing tomatos at baddies' session is much more fun than being bored, and getting frustrated at the little niggling inconsistencies you have with your friends views.
So what you'll find is, many net forums that are based on religion rather than analysis will allow a small minority of enemies on the forum.
This has been examplified on PO.com. Dorlomin, a rather angry member of the community was having fun hurling every insult he could find at me (it's was the AGWers vs skeptics ). Then I left for a few months. When I came back, and read through the last few months posts, it had transpired Dor had got bored without his favourite target, and had turned on his fellow AGWers.
It's very interesting to look at all the other techniques that are used to control the flock, both in theory ( i.e. discuss the rule list ) and in practice ( spot them being applied on net forums, including this one ). But I don't want to say too much incase I get banned!

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '
')>Peak oil denialists on this message board?
Its designed to maintain group cohesion, assemble an us vs them competition.

This answer by Xenophobe is the most direct answer to the thread question. So it's worth exploring a little. Having the enemy within the gates is a great & efficient way to keep a group together. A 'Throwing tomatos at baddies' session is much more fun than being bored, and getting frustrated at the little niggling inconsistencies you have with your friends views.
So what you'll find is, many net forums that are based on religion rather than analysis will allow a small minority of enemies on the forum.

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', '
')Actually it's possible RocDoc knows RGR, I'll PM him.
I was amused browsing RGRs posts. His humourous take on doomers reminds me of the lolz we have with AGWers.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '
')Interesting.
I see this RGR fellow is saying much the same thing I've said on EROEI.