[vision-master]

Turn it over to the tribes shaman and they will tell you when and where to fish.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', '
')But we both need food, water, shelter. I don't care how rich you are, you need these. Everyone does. Share the work for these (not for COMMUNISM) but because everyone has a right to these.

[vision-master]

From the heart.

[Cog]

Don't count on that unemployment extension right away. We must settle some more important issues. My own prediction is that the Republicans will get their way on the tax cut issue in exchange for a three month extension in federal unemployment payments. There will be no extension for the 99'ers. So best be getting a job or moving in with your kids if you fit that category. The Democrats are dreaming if they think the Republicans will give them a one year unemployment extension as they are wishing for.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -addressed
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')enate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced this morning that Republicans will block any legislation from coming to the Senate floor until two key economic issues are addressed: funding the government (the “continuing resolution” which must pass to prevent a government shutdown) and the extension of the Bush-era tax cuts.

McConnell said that members of his caucus are united in the pledge to use procedural votes to prevent any other non-economic issues -- including the new START treaty, the DREAM Act, or the defense authorization bill that contains a potential repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy – from coming to the floor for debate.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')on't count on that unemployment extension right away. We must settle some more important issues. My own prediction is that the Republicans will get their way on the tax cut issue in exchange for a three month extension in federal unemployment payments. There will be no extension for the 99'ers. So best be getting a job or moving in with your kids if you fit that category. The Democrats are dreaming if they think the Republicans will give them a one year unemployment extension as they are wishing for.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... -addressed
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')enate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced this morning that Republicans will block any legislation from coming to the Senate floor until two key economic issues are addressed: funding the government (the “continuing resolution” which must pass to prevent a government shutdown) and the extension of the Bush-era tax cuts.

McConnell said that members of his caucus are united in the pledge to use procedural votes to prevent any other non-economic issues -- including the new START treaty, the DREAM Act, or the defense authorization bill that contains a potential repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy – from coming to the floor for debate.

[Livewire713]

I hope the Dems don't give into the Repubs. I think all the tax cuts should expire. The average worker is going to have about $10 less per week while the average millionaire would lose about $2000 grand per week. If the Dems give into the Repubs on this then Obama might as well step down since the Repubs are running things anyway.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')
And the fact that the Republicans plan to block everything doesn't bother you at all?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'I') hope the Dems don't give into the Repubs. I think all the tax cuts should expire. The average worker is going to have about $10 less per week while the average millionaire would lose about $2000 grand per week. If the Dems give into the Repubs on this then Obama might as well step down since the Repubs are running things anyway.

[vision-master]

The rich?

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'T')he rich?

[vision-master]

Your relality. Change is in the air.

I'd rather be rich in spirit.

[deMolay]

I think that in unusual times, Great Depressions, Great Financial Collapse's like we are currently going through, the State does have to do something. Although I do think that instead of just sending out checks going on 2 years now. Those on more or less permanent unemployment or welfare should have to take job training or upgrading so they can get back to work when things improve. You could do something like give the company a generous tax credit for hiring on s worker for on the job training etc. At the same time the unemployed worker gets back in the game, even if temporarily. If things work out the unemployed worker may be taken on full time as things turn around someday. That being said, a lot of folks are gaming the system, http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitl ... family-mak

[BlisteredWhippet]

On one hand, in America, we unquestionably laud "working", while, on the other hand, while looking for work, we are very judgmental and selective. Options are routinely rejected that involve "work" that is perceived as degrading, low value, low prestige, meaningless, etc.

One could very well survey the realities of most "work" and conclude that here is an occupation for a warm body wherein the activity is almost completely dedicated to wasting energy, wasting resources, or wasting one's time.

Once the job seeker has chosen (or by force or coersion had it chosen for him) the LEAST objectionable occupation, Society once again has Esteem for him.

This cycle is repeated until the person is dead. That is the promise of this society and culture. That you will be leaned on, coerced and otherwise forced to perform valueless, mind numbing labor that will take your time and health, in order to sink the proceeds into rapidly devaluing assets. This all of course depends on a steady diet of grist for the mill, ie. young people, who are indoctrinated at a young age by being forced, coerced, and brainwashed into respecting and obeying the contradictory personal and cultural values of the already acculturated parents. The truth is hidden from them as long as possible before they are thrown out into the world and they realize they have been lied to their entire lives, at which point alcohol becomes legally available.

[deMolay]

What are you suggesting, Tip Toe Through The Tulips with a joint in one hand and a bottle in the other, start at a young age to secure yourself on the welfare rolls, live in the bush or under the freeway. Even in other times those without some form of training or education etc ended up working from daylight to dark, toiling in the fields or a smithy etc.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'I') think that in unusual times, Great Depressions, Great Financial Collapse's like we are currently going through, the State does have to do something. Although I do think that instead of just sending out checks going on 2 years now. Those on more or less permanent unemployment or welfare should have to take job training or upgrading so they can get back to work when things improve. You could do something like give the company a generous tax credit for hiring on s worker for on the job training etc. At the same time the unemployed worker gets back in the game, even if temporarily. If things work out the unemployed worker may be taken on full time as things turn around someday. That being said, a lot of folks are gaming the system, http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitl ... family-mak

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'I') hope the Dems don't give into the Repubs. I think all the tax cuts should expire. The average worker is going to have about $10 less per week while the average millionaire would lose about $2000 grand per week. If the Dems give into the Repubs on this then Obama might as well step down since the Repubs are running things anyway.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'W')hat are you suggesting, Tip Toe Through The Tulips with a joint in one hand and a bottle in the other, start at a young age to secure yourself on the welfare rolls, live in the bush or under the freeway. Even in other times those without some form of training or education etc ended up working from daylight to dark, toiling in the fields or a smithy etc.

[efarmer]

This has always been a delicate balancing act in most cases with the government role falling off the tight rope to one side or another. How does an advanced culture and society provide a safety net that adds value for being a good egg and belonging and generating revenue and on the other hand not get into trading people gummint money for votes, or even worse, creating people who lose their self worth or become entitled to a free ride from learning by rote the correct way to fill out forms and ride when they can actually propel themselves, or prepare themselves to be self propelling again.

I have no answers, the present Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hide approach of Congress is simply untenable.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'I') have no answers, the present Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hide approach of Congress is simply untenable.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'T')his has always been a delicate balancing act in most cases with the government role falling off the tight rope to one side or another. How does an advanced culture and society provide a safety net that adds value for being a good egg and belonging and generating revenue and on the other hand not get into trading people gummint money for votes, or even worse, creating people who lose their self worth or become entitled to a free ride from learning by rote the correct way to fill out forms and ride when they can actually propel themselves, or prepare themselves to be self propelling again.
I have no answers, the present Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hide approach of Congress is simply untenable.