[Ludi]

I think it's great for folks to suggest options - that's what I've tried to do here on the board for a few years. I also think people should try to live where they feel comfortable and safe. If you're in a good spot, you might want to stay. If you're not up for adventure, you might want to stay even if you're in a not-so-great spot. But if you're young or adventurous, there are still many opportunities out there in the big wide world.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') think it's great for folks to suggest options - that's what I've tried to do here on the board for a few years. I also think people should try to live where they feel comfortable and safe. If you're in a good spot, you might want to stay. If you're not up for adventure, you might want to stay even if you're in a not-so-great spot. But if you're young or adventurous, there are still many opportunities out there in the big wide world.

[FairMaiden]

Hmm...I'm the smug one? I would think the person claiming to live like "nobility" (your word not mine) would be the smug one. You only have security bc you've found it through marriage. You have found you like it and it works for you. I doubt many ppl would feel the same way (only a specific kind like you mentioned).

If I am smug, then so is everyone on this site who has prepared themselves. Hubby and I both took pay cuts to take our "secure" jobs (I realize nothing is secure but we've done our homework and we can hope). What I've found is the extra time we have has enabled us to find play in our wonderous backyard here. Snow trekking, mtn biking (I have a mtn bike as a company vehicle from an old environmental job), hiking, walking are all free. We are so much happier working less and playing more.

We have a family. How well do you think my 2 yr old would do in Uganda with platinum blond hair and alabaster skin??? He'd be a kidnapping target! He'd stand out enough to be in danger. Remember the rules of the turning point - do NOT stand out in your community.

I only know one person who tried this move and she lost everything. She bought a business in the new place and corrupted officials harassed her until she ran home for her life. Her father was there and he did the same years later - they broke both is arms and legs to have him sign over title of his properties. Luckily his expat community got him to the airport and put him on a plane to his daughter. He lost millions of dollars and is now a penniless alocholic living off his daughter (who only has money now bc she married again).

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FairMaiden', 'H')mm...I'm the smug one? I would think the person claiming to live like "nobility" (your word not mine) would be the smug one. You only have security bc you've found it through marriage. You have found you like it and it works for you. I doubt many ppl would feel the same way (only a specific kind like you mentioned).

If I am smug, then so is everyone on this site who has prepared themselves. Hubby and I both took pay cuts to take our "secure" jobs (I realize nothing is secure but we've done our homework and we can hope). What I've found is the extra time we have has enabled us to find play in our wonderous backyard here. Snow trekking, mtn biking (I have a mtn bike as a company vehicle from an old environmental job), hiking, walking are all free. We are so much happier working less and playing more.

We have a family. How well do you think my 2 yr old would do in Uganda with platinum blond hair and alabaster skin??? He'd be a kidnapping target! He'd stand out enough to be in danger. Remember the rules of the turning point - do NOT stand out in your community.

I only know one person who tried this move and she lost everything. She bought a business in the new place and corrupted officials harassed her until she ran home for her life. Her father was there and he did the same years later - they broke both is arms and legs to have him sign over title of his properties. Luckily his expat community got him to the airport and put him on a plane to his daughter. He lost millions of dollars and is now a penniless alocholic living off his daughter (who only has money now bc she married again).

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')aybe I project this, we do tend to see the world from our own angle; but I do believe a lot of people would be much more mobile if they had any idea how safely they could be so.

[SeaGypsy]

FM:
By nobility, I meant not having to work, an old definition.

Actually to be happy in a marriage usually takes 2 people who would be happy single; the other version is called codependency, perhaps that's why you use the word 'security'? Most peakers don't believe in actual 'security' only degrees thereof in response to variables which are as endless as possible ways of confronting them.

I have family who have been ripped off and burned in a wide variety of locations, not exclusive to the 3rd world.
There are rules about living anywhere; written and unwritten, for locals and 'outsiders'.
A common unwritten rule in poor countries is: "Don't you dare come along with your easy dollars and think you can compete with me." Which is only fair really.
There are few businesses which are safe enough to engage in and they all involve having customers from outside come in or internet business.
In some areas resorts are a tolerated expat endeavour because thet draw tourists and create a lot of work for locals. But starting a taxi company or pizza shop might get you killed. Each place has it's own version of 'logic' otherwise there would be no such thing as culture shock and the whole world would be like Miami.

On AD's note, what you would more likely find is that your blondy creamy white kids would be courted by the daughters of the ruling class than kidnapped!

New Zealand stands alone among British colonies outside Africa; the only one where the white kids all learn Maori (the indigenous) language at school to at least a introductory level. Every kid in New Zealand can tell you something about native culture. Compare this to Australia or worse, the USA.

Here in the Philippines my wife's 1st language is based on the language of the oldest indigenous inhabitants, after 3 waves of invasion over 800 years. My children's DNA 800 years ago was in: Ireland, Germany, Scotland, England, Taiwan, Polynesia, Malaysia. The local kids call my daughter 'Barbie' because she is so white, the fact she has black eyes evades them. She is without a doubt the best known and most popular 1 year old in our town here. I have lived with her in Australia also and can see the situation here is infinitely better from her perspective at this time in her life.

I believe the beyond bottleneck human will be hybrid, not GE, just naturally. I have spent most of my life in parts of the world where most people can claim multiple ancestry; so for me it's not a big deal. For some reason though the topic seems to rub several regulars up the wrong way on this forum.
I do not expect people to change their world view based on mine. I have chosen a particlar path in life which suits me, as it sounds like FM has.

I am glad you are enjoying life FM and that you prioritise time with family over work, good for you; just that's kinda off topic.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')
I think of things like medical. Who pays for that? (in your status as visitor/noncitizen) Is the technology first world?


I think of social acceptance. Is your family treated well in general? Do you have to be careful of where you go? Are your kids safe if they use bad judgement on where they go (as kids will from time to time)?

How about security / laws? Until you become a citizen (if you can) - do you have to worry about someone from the govt. coming along and confiscating your property? Arresting you on bogus charges to get your property? Arbitrarily throwing you out?

[IsThisRealLife]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'H')ere I will give you the numbers on what $1000 a month will get you:

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IsThisRealLife', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'H')ere I will give you the numbers on what $1000 a month will get you:

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'B')e happy and don't take offense when something outside your comfort zone is put as an option.

Maybe I project this, we do tend to see the world from our own angle; but I do believe a lot of people would be much more mobile if they had any idea how safely they could be so.

[SeaGypsy]

Hi Sixstrings,
I have a few friends here who are supposedly real estate millionaires in the USA but can't sell in the current market. Renting out either owned or mortgaged property makes more sense than living in it, if you can live cheaper elsewhere.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gollum', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')n California, and possibly other states, in the past (1980s) , there was "Lifeline" service for the poor - limited local phone service for a fee of I think something like $5 a month, so that households would always have the means to call fire, ambulance, or police.

Is such a thing available on celphones?

[MarkJ]

Since many unused phones have numerous feature sets and memory cards these days, old phones are still useful as recorders, cameras, video cameras, MP3 players, calculators, notepads, data storage devices etc.

[Shaved Monkey]

Main reason we have peak everything is too many middle class Americans and the rest of the world trying to be like them.
Credit card bill has come in.
We still as a world haven't worked out the maths or refuse to accept it.
There's not enough carrots to chase or American Dreams for everyone.

[rangerone314]

Most of those 22 statistics can be summed up with one sentence: "Let them eat cake".

I think the French found a solution for that attitude in 1793. Might work for our elites, too.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJ', 'M')any of the stats supposedly proving the middle class is shrinking are due to numerous poor choices,.

For example, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 are often due to lack of budgeting, spending, saving and investment discipline.

[rangerone314]

But the rich aren't creating jobs in the US. They are creating them in China and India. The bigger the piece of pie the rich get, the faster they are able to take even more of the middle class's share of the pie away.

Just look at the money flowing into commodities like food and oil. That drives gas and food prices up for the poor and middle class. Trickle down indeed! Geeze. I'd even put up with the rich getting 66% of the income growth between 2001 and 2007, if they took that money and merrily burned it in big bonfires.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2'), 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 are often due to lack of budgeting, spending, saving and investment discipline.

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')resident Barack Obama's health care law would let several million middle-class people get nearly free insurance meant for the poor, a twist government number crunchers say they discovered only after the complex bill was signed.

[vision-master]

I'm sure she understands....

Recession… what recession? Pelosi's wealth grows by massive 62% (and Boehner and Cantor are also millionaires)


House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi saw her wealth rise considerably last year, from just more than $20million to a huge $35.2million.
Establishing Pelosi's place as one of the wealthiest lawmakers in the country, the sudden 62 per cent rise was revealed in the annual release of forms detailing the assets and liabilities of congressmen today



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