[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', 'W')ow. Gotta love the Internet.

What would be great on a board like this would be to have a picture of everybody at their computer and face shot, and their resume.

I picture one poster on this forum (not Lore, BTW) as an obese, 45ish woman pounding Doritos, never had a job more important than phone-girl at the pizza joint, pontificating endlessly on everything. And because forums offer a natural filter for everything, there is a presumption that all words deserve equal consideration.

Lore, I picture you as a young, male, liberal. Maybe 28ish.

Your post, above, smacks of having no experience running a business.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')
I picture one poster on this forum (not Lore, BTW) as an obese, 45ish woman pounding Doritos, never had a job more important than phone-girl at the pizza joint, pontificating endlessly on everything. And because forums offer a natural filter for everything, there is a presumption that all words deserve equal consideration.

Lore, I picture you as a young, male, liberal. Maybe 28ish.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'I')f I'm a corporation and you increase my tax by 5%, I increase my prices on all products by 5%. What about that you don't get? It doesn't hurt me competitively, because all my competitors will raise their prices by 5%. So by increasing corporate income tax you hurt the consumers. If you want to really hurt the fat-cats, increase the top personal income tax rate. Good luck with that.

[Expatriot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')’ve often had to wrestle with pricing issues of this very nature.

. . .
You’re friend hasn't obviously been able to create a viable enough business to pay much in taxes, let alone suffer from the increased tax burden on excess profits. If he is incorporated, his wage comes out corporate pretax.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')1. I don't believe you. Like I said - a picture and a verified resume would end much of the debate.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'Y')ou realize that corporations don't pay taxes? Whatever rate you tax them at, they simply build it into their prices. Only customers pay taxes.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'I')f I'm a corporation and you increase my tax by 5%, I increase my prices on all products by 5%. What about that you don't get? It doesn't hurt me competitively, because all my competitors will raise their prices by 5%. So by increasing corporate income tax you hurt the consumers. If you want to really hurt the fat-cats, increase the top personal income tax rate. Good luck with that.

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'Y')ou realize that corporations don't pay taxes? Whatever rate you tax them at, they simply build it into their prices. Only customers pay taxes.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', 'I')n the end, when all is said and done, what matters is the fraction of productive activity that the government is diverting to it's own purposes. Figuring out exactly who is having to make do with less to support that is not a well defined concept.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')’ve often had to wrestle with pricing issues of this very nature.

. . .
You’re friend hasn't obviously been able to create a viable enough business to pay much in taxes, let alone suffer from the increased tax burden on excess profits. If he is incorporated, his wage comes out corporate pretax.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')1. I don't believe you. Like I said - a picture and a verified resume would end much of the debate.

[dissident]

This "Expatriot" was the clown arguing that the tropical Hadley circulation cannot possibly get wider in latitude since the tropics are a geographic construct. Now he is trying to browbeat Lore on the subject of corporate taxation.

Here's an example of why this nitwit is totally and utterly wrong. When the GST was introduced in Canada in the early 1990s it was claimed that prices for big ticket items such as automobiles would go down since the old manufacturing tax would now be applied as a VAT. Guess what, there was no reduction in prices. The corporations did not have any incentive to pass on the savings of the eliminated manufacturing tax (whether 100% or not) and the GST was the "Government's Fault (TM)". You have a problem with paying more, then go complain to your elected representative, you commie.

How much the corporations howled for the VAT demonstrated the fact that they could not fully pass on the non-VAT taxes to the consumers. There really is such a thing as the market place and competition.

Here is a rant from a right-winger who gets the basic concept that "Expatriot" is denying: link

[rangerone314]

What needs to be done is to keep the rich from offshoring their money AND jobs. I say the time has come for protectionism.

We should pull our military back from the Middle East, invest massively in alternative energy... be it solar or thorium nuclear, put tariffs on foreign goods and stop outsourcing.

If there is to be a national sales tax, then there should be a maximum income, just like there is a minimum wage now.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'W')hat needs to be done is to keep the rich from offshoring their money AND jobs. I say the time has come for protectionism.

We should pull our military back from the Middle East, invest massively in alternative energy... be it solar or thorium nuclear, put tariffs on foreign goods and stop outsourcing.

If there is to be a national sales tax, then there should be a maximum income, just like there is a minimum wage now.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Expatriot', '
')1. I don't believe you. Like I said - a picture and a verified resume would end much of the debate.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'Y')ou realize that corporations don't pay taxes? Whatever rate you tax them at, they simply build it into their prices. Only customers pay taxes.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', 'N')o, if you are a smart corporation and I'm raising your taxes YOU WILL MOVE, to a place where you don't have that much taxes. Or you go OUT OF BUSINESS, because you're competing with companies that pay a reasonable tax rates (pretty much everywhere on the planet except the US).
If your world only consists of the US then I agree with you. I can raise your taxes, so to give the money back to consumers in form of welfare. OR I can lower your taxes, lower the price of your product and make it affordable for the consumer to buy it WITHOUT welfare. AND I would also save a lot of burocracy in the process, leading to a smaller government overhead, reducing taxes even further, which again benefits the consumers. Wow, what a train of thought. Turns out that lower taxes seems to be best for everybody, Who would have thought?