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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby americandream » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 04:22:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', ' ')These terrorists are invariably hangovers from the Cold War...


The Islamic terrorists of 2010 are not motivated by the "cold war" that ended two decades earlier. :roll:


You clearly did not bother to read my qualifier did you? In any event, Google Clinton's (Hilary) very very recent comments on the roots of these fellows. It's current news. Better still, here's the link. Interpret it as you will:

http://stockmarkettoday.in/2010/11/14/p ... y-clinton/
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 05:58:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'H')ypothetically, what checks and balances would prevent Obama or any other President of either party from having, say John Boehner or any other political opponent killed? Answer: only the conscience of the person asked to do the killing.

+1

You're heading toward the area I'm concerned about with this kind of power. Corruption and incompetence.

Considering how incompetent large government entities show they are over and over, and how much corruption pervades the systems of rules and regulations they create in the U.S. -- giving them cart blanche to murder people because it is difficult to use due process sounds like a risky path to take.

As soon as doing the right thing becomes inconvenient, we resort to coming up with rules to make doing the wrong thing "OK" when it is expedient. "Fighting terrorism" is a recent and flagrant example of this.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby Unconventional Ideas » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 06:39:25

Obama is just the front man for the military industrial complex.

As American consumers with our non-negotiable way of life, we are the reason for those resource wars.

The resource wars will never end as long as we continue living the way we do, or until the system implodes.

We all know the latter is the expected result and probably within the next five years.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 12:00:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')It appears one world government with overriding jurisdiction is inevitable.


Why do you think so?

Isn't it more likely that as oil runs out and energy costs explode and modern society begins to struggle to provide enough food, shelter and rap music to keep the people satisfied, that national governments will weaken and political and economic power will become more decentralized and localized rather then more centralized and globalized? 8)


I am speaking it terms of historical political evolution. AS IF we had the centuries for such development to take place.

We don't even have decades before Climate Change, OIl Depletion, and Population Overshoot, result in a massive die-off.

Populations are already on the move as parts of the planet become incapable of supporting it's inhabitants.

Wars, famine and genocide will increase. Pestilence will spread with the migrations of malnourished refugees. Atrocities will become commonplace.

We will not go quiet into that good night. Anarchy will reign supreme as no form of political organization will be able to cope, even on a local level.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 13:35:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'P')opulations are already on the move as parts of the planet become incapable of supporting it's inhabitants.

Wars, famine and genocide will increase. Pestilence will spread with the migrations of malnourished refugees. Atrocities will become commonplace.



And liberal's solution is to open borders. hear, hear.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 20:57:28

Assassination is not the sole domain of government powers. Go rewatch The Godfather I and II if you want to see how this operates at a local scale. Or the ethnic strife in Baghdad and elsewhere. When people no longer respect the sanctity of life, you get Hatfield and the McCoys. As Rumsfeld says "Freedom is messy". So be careful what you wish for vis a vis anarchy.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 14 Nov 2010, 21:03:46

yes Mos there is a price tag for everything.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 15 Nov 2010, 00:42:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'A')ssassination is not the sole domain of government powers. Go rewatch The Godfather I and II if you want to see how this operates at a local scale. Or the ethnic strife in Baghdad and elsewhere. When people no longer respect the sanctity of life, you get Hatfield and the McCoys. As Rumsfeld says "Freedom is messy". So be careful what you wish for vis a vis anarchy.

That's how Osama should die... pulling up to a tollbooth and being riddled with bullets like Sunny.

Or like in Godfather III, stabbed with a pair of eyeglasses, by someone who looks innocuous.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby Pops » Mon 15 Nov 2010, 11:52:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'A')s soon as doing the right thing becomes inconvenient, we resort to coming up with rules to make doing the wrong thing "OK" when it is expedient. "Fighting terrorism" is a recent and flagrant example of this.

Yes, exactly. I know people want to make this (along with everything else) about the other "party" but it's about the law.

Either we are a country of laws or we aren't. As soon as the law is that the executive can "legally" make make such a decision without review then there effectively is no rule of law. Presidents make decisions that are sometimes later found to be illegal or unconstitutional. If they aren't always hung for it, I can live with that, it ain't an easy job.

But it is unacceptable for their actions be beyond review.
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Re: Absolute Power

Unread postby highlander » Mon 15 Nov 2010, 16:11:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') don't give a rat's ass about due process for al-qaida people... if you have a nail you need to hit it with a hammer, but I'd just as soon not give a hammer to a psychopath and get whacked with it.


Yes, what Ranger said.

Why pass a draconian act that puts 300 million at peril for the actions of less than six.
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