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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby KingM » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 16:29:12

It has been "debunked." Experts far and wide are weighing in saying that it was an airplane contrail viewed from an odd angle. They're probably right.

On the other hand, this is exactly what I'd expect to happen if it really had been something nefarious. [smilie=5propeller.gif]
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby Lore » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 16:50:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '[')url=http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-440]This blog suggests that jet contrails have been mistaken for missile launches before.[/url]


But there are videos from multiple angles.. the "odd angle" theory only applies to ONE ANGLE. Or two angles at most.. the other being 180 degrees in the opposite direction.


Right, I pointed that link out yesterday. Confirmed in this CNN story.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut John Pike, a defense expert who is director of GlobalSecurity.org, said he believes he has solved the mystery.

"It's clearly an airplane contrail," Pike said Tuesday afternoon. "It's an optical illusion that looks like it's going up, whereas in reality it's going toward the camera. The tip of the contrail is moving far too slowly to be a rocket. When it's illuminated by the sunset, you can see hundreds of miles of it ... all the way to the horizon.

"Why the government is so badly organized that they can't get somebody out there to explain it and make this story go away. ... I think that's the real story," Pike added. "I mean, it's insane that with all the money we are spending, all these technically competent people, that they can't get somebody out there to explain what is incredibly obvious."
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/09/ca ... ls/?hpt=C1


A contrail that stretches back to the horizon. Notice how dispersed the far end is, being spread out by the upper wind currents.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby dissident » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 19:39:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') contrail that stretches back to the horizon. Notice how dispersed the far end is, being spread out by the upper wind currents.


It is not plausible that the air currents are keeping the "contrail" intact without deformation. There is always some horizontal wind shear that would skew the contrail in more than one location, in different directions. I see a converging of the contrail to the point of light at its tip and not a dispersion.

Once again no attention is paid to the point of light at the end of the "contrail". The "debunking" is political BS. You don't get to choose which facts you consider and which you ignore.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby lper100km » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 20:29:49

That should be easy to prove/disprove.

There must be any number of radar logs that could verify/deny the existence of a flight at the right height, heading and time.

However, rockets tend to move rather quickly and aircraft at height seem to be quite slow. Did anyone view this as from a sea level launch, or did the trail just get noticed after it had developed? Also for the airplane contrail explanation to be correct, the aircraft would have to be flying towards the observer and for a long time at that. Moreover, if it was a civilian aircraft, it would have four engines probably, which would be very noticeable as it passed overhead.

A rocket launch would have to be directed away from the observer to give the effect seen.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby Lore » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 20:57:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') contrail that stretches back to the horizon. Notice how dispersed the far end is, being spread out by the upper wind currents.


It is not plausible that the air currents are keeping the "contrail" intact without deformation. There is always some horizontal wind shear that would skew the contrail in more than one location, in different directions. I see a converging of the contrail to the point of light at its tip and not a dispersion.

Once again no attention is paid to the point of light at the end of the "contrail". The "debunking" is political BS. You don't get to choose which facts you consider and which you ignore.


I'm not choosing my facts, there are only the real ones to consider. If it were a missile the base would not have spread out that much in such a short period of time from the convergence point. Especially if it was a speeding missile launched just 35 miles West of LA. In addition, the base of the contrail is illuminated from the sunset, showing that it is higher then a surface launch.

The point of light at the tip of the contrail is the setting sunlight reflecting off the fuselage of the aircraft. I’m sure most everyone has seen this before. With the angle of approach coming at the camera it looks much closer to the contrail then it actually is.

Given that I woke up this morning and found that we are not on national alert and it would be ridiculous to think that the military would launch a missile into commercial air space unannounced without any reason. I can see nothing to suggest that it is anything more then an aircraft. However, if the tin hat crowd here wants to carry on about a whole lot of nothing, then feel free to draw some ignorant conspiracy theories.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby Lore » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 21:10:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', 'T')hat should be easy to prove/disprove.

There must be any number of radar logs that could verify/deny the existence of a flight at the right height, heading and time.


Correct, and none of the logs showed anything suspicious, both ground and inflight.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '
')However, rockets tend to move rather quickly and aircraft at height seem to be quite slow. Did anyone view this as from a sea level launch, or did the trail just get noticed after it had developed?


No one has come forth verifying a surface launch, either military or civilian.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '
')Also for the airplane contrail explanation to be correct, the aircraft would have to be flying towards the observer and for a long time at that. Moreover, if it was a civilian aircraft, it would have four engines probably, which would be very noticeable as it passed overhead.


The video is too short to indicate and in any case the two/four engines would not be that noticeable at 35,000 ft.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '
')A rocket launch would have to be directed away from the observer to give the effect seen.


The contrail would indicate that the object was headed towards the camera.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby sparky » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 02:42:43

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contrails are not created by the engines they are created by the flying surfaces
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby dissident » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 12:06:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not choosing my facts, there are only the real ones to consider.


The accusation was aimed that the "debunking" being quoted. I have not seen any explanation of the point of light. Instead lots of talk about "contrail" angles and illusions.

If the "airplane" was far away you would see zilch of the flame emission coming out of its 2+ engines. You would not even see this much light coming out of a jet in full afterburner mode.
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:53:10

So, do we have the flight number yet of this airplane? Should be trivial.

http://www.coaa.co.uk/planeplotter.htm
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Re: Missile Launch Off California Coast

Unread postby davep » Fri 12 Nov 2010, 15:22:39

http://blog2.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

He reckons he knows the flight number.
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