[vision-master]

While the fat wigs who produce nothing set around and smoke big cigars...... lol

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')O: Honorable Secretary of Agriculture
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir;

My friend, Ed Peterson, over at Wells Iowa, received a check for $1,000 from the government for not raising hogs. So, I want to go into the "not raising hogs" business next year.

What I want to know is, in your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to raise hogs on, and what is the best breed of hogs not to raise? I want to be sure that I approach this endeavor in keeping with all governmental policies. I would prefer not to raise razorbacks, but if that is not a good breed not to raise, then I will just as gladly not raise Yorkshires or Durocs.

As I see it, the hardest part of this program will be in keeping an accurate inventory of how many hogs I haven't raised.

[deMolay]

Quote VM. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hile the fat wigs who produce nothing set around and smoke big cigars......lol

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'O')r as the Communists used to say. No Labour No Bread.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'S')ounds reasonable to me. We could use more of that basic philosophy these days instead of offering no strings attached handouts.

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'W')hat's next soup kitchen's, bread lines? Vision Master riding the rails to Florida? The Grapes of Wrath?

[FairMaiden]

I think this would be fantastic if it can pass politically. I really hope it would open the door for Canada. I've thought this would be great. I used to work for a related gov't agency that helped educate welfare recipients for free...it was my job to tabulate the success of our programs by how many folks actually got jobs. During the course of my research, I "caught" many ppl claiming benefits while still working. I was SHOCKED to find their worker didn't cut them off - even after I reported it!! I finally confronted one and she said, "they need time to get on their feet - relax"...this particular person was making $25/hr!!! This was the early '90s and that was almost double what I was making.

Then I worked for a charity for 10 years where we could have used volunteers to help us.

The articles says that ppl will be targeted to flush cheaters out of the system. I think that's great. When you work in these fields (and I'm back to a related field of work), you can pretty easily tell which ones you'd like to test.

[davep]

This is just an attempt to get 'the lazy' into work. They seem to think there is a huge subspecies who wants to live on 75 stirling per week. It's funny that this is not a problem when things are going well economically.

[Tyler_JC]

There is work that needs to be done.

We have lots of surplus workers willing to do it.

Why not pay them to fix the bridges and repave the roads?

It's really not that controversial.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')here is work that needs to be done.

We have lots of surplus workers willing to do it.

Why not pay them to fix the bridges and repave the roads?

It's really not that controversial.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'T')his is just an attempt to get 'the lazy' into work.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')here is work that needs to be done.

We have lots of surplus workers willing to do it.

Why not pay them to fix the bridges and repave the roads?

It's really not that controversial.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'T')his is just an attempt to get 'the lazy' into work.

[Ludi]

Oh, ok. I see it is just a scheme to depress wages.

Never mind.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')here is work that needs to be done.

We have lots of surplus workers willing to do it.

Why not pay them to fix the bridges and repave the roads?

[yeahbut]

Anyone who has lived in a country with an effective social safety net knows that there are a significant number of people who abuse the system. I met a lot of them when I lived in England, I even worked with two guys who 'signed on' every thursday afternoon to claim the dole under another name while fully employed. Here in NZ, there are families where no one has worked thru three generations, there are a ton of people claiming sickness benefit when there is nothing wrong with them, and lots of other abuses. The system is humane, it makes it harder for members of society to fall thru the cracks, but some take advantage of it. Schemes to make long-term unemployment less palatable are a good idea. I don't know if this is that scheme, but it's at least looking in the right direction IMO

[Ludi]

Some people are going to cheat in any system which rewards cheaters. Our society rewards cheaters on a massive scale - many corporations pay no taxes at all and some even get subsidies while making huge profits. Corporations themselves are a way of cheating (not taking personal responsibility). Personally, I don't mind supporting a few "welfare" cheaters with my tax dollars (my self-employment tax specifically) but I am not pleased with the idea of supporting millionaire and billionaire cheaters. It's interesting you hardly ever hear conservatives complaining about corporate and billionaire cheaters, but they are very worried about the "welfare bums" who are probably less detrimental to society as a whole.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')ome people are going to cheat in any system which rewards cheaters. Our society rewards cheaters on a massive scale - many corporations pay no taxes at all and some even get subsidies while making huge profits. Corporations themselves are a way of cheating (not taking personal responsibility). Personally, I don't mind supporting a few "welfare" cheaters with my tax dollars (my self-employment tax specifically) but I am not pleased with the idea of supporting millionaire and billionaire cheaters. It's interesting you hardly ever hear conservatives complaining about corporate and billionaire cheaters, but they are very worried about the "welfare bums" who are probably less detrimental to society as a whole.

[Ludi]

Looks good to me, vtsnowedin. The truly wealthy generally pay about 15% tax rate because virtually all of their income is investment income, not earned income. Warren Buffett famously talked about how his tax rate was/is lower than his secretary's.

Our tax laws are a total mess.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'L')ooks good to me, vtsnowedin. The truly wealthy generally pay about 15% tax rate because virtually all of their income is investment income, not earned income. Warren Buffett famously talked about how his tax rate was/is lower than his secretary's.

Our tax laws are a total mess.