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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby eXpat » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 13:17:23

Mexico paper asks drug cartels what they can print without risk of murder
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ''')Explain what you want from us,' reads front-page editorial
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — The biggest newspaper in Mexico's most violent city is to restrict drug war coverage after the killing of its second journalist in less than two years, just as international press representatives will urge the government to make security for journalists a national priority.

In a front-page editorial Sunday, El Diario de Juarez asked drug cartels warring in this city across from El Paso, Texas, to say what they want from the newspaper, so it can continue its work without further death, injury or intimidation of its staff.

"Leaders of the different organizations that are fighting for control of Ciudad Juarez: The loss of two reporters from this publishing house in less than two years represents an irreparable sorrow for all of us who work here, and, in particular, for their families," the editorial said.

"We ask you to explain what you want from us, what we should try to publish or not publish, so we know what to expect," it added.
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Many media outlets, especially in border areas, have stopped covering the drug war. Until Sunday, El Diario was not one of them.

"Even in one of the places where violence is worst ... El Diario was still doing a lot of good reporting on crime," said Carlos Lauria, a CPJ senior coordinator. "The fact that they're giving up is really bad. It's an indication that the situation is out of control."

Calderon's Interior Ministry condemned the killing hours after the shooting, calling it an attack on freedom of expression for all Mexicans and saying that federal authorities are involved in the investigation.

But both front-page editorials accused the government of doing nothing about the intimidation and assaults on journalists by drug cartels.

The El Diario editorial Sunday said it addressed its plea to the drug gangs because they are now the city's de facto authorities. It also said Calderon made several promises as a candidate to protect journalists that have not been fulfilled.

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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby ian807 » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 16:10:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'T')his most recent case brings up several questions: Why would a member of Hezbollah be in Mexico? Why would Hezbollah need thousands of weapons in Mexico?

Obvious answer? Drug cartels in Mexico have established low-risk smuggling routes developed through years of profitable cocaine trade, suitable for smuggling in a nuke or two. Hezbollah pays smugglers to deliver "package" to San Diego, LA, New York, etc.

I think you can work out the rest.

Of course, none of this would be, but not for the drug laws and the intelligence agencies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US) and American politicians (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/10/was-porter-goss-briefed-on-things-pelosi-and-harman-werent/)who receive money from the illegal trade, all cleaned up of course through the most respected banks http://www.businesspundit.com/drug-money-used-to-bail-out-banks) I'm sure.

So when the big boom finally happens and Hezbollah or some other wackjob Wahabist organization takes credit, you can blame your local CIA office, your local congress critter and Chase.

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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 16:51:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')s it any surprise there is tension on the border. The US invited millions of Mexicans to the border to slave in our maquiladora sweat shops.

Then we transferred their jobs to China.


To slave? 15-20 years ago a Mexican could wash dishes for 3 years and then retire pretty much anywhere on the planet.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Pops » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 17:01:26

Aside from the prison guards union and Just Say No, tell me again why we shouldn't legalize the goodies and tax the heck out of them?
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Revi » Sat 25 Sep 2010, 21:59:28

Mexico has some real problems, but they are just as bad in parts of the US.

The middle class is fleeing the border cities.

Why live where a bunch of criminals rule?

The problem is where to go. A lot of middle and upper class Mexicans are moving to El Paso and other border cities because their cities are unsafe.

They are refugees from the drug war.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Revi » Sat 25 Sep 2010, 22:40:58

Very interesting Pstarr. I guess you are right. Just like the way that old industrial cities turn into drug infested hell holes, I guess this is one of the symptoms of the decay that follows after peak oil hits.

I remember seeing a movie of Portillo addressing a huge crowd saying that we have money now, since we have oil.

It didn't work out as planned, however.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby eXpat » Sat 25 Sep 2010, 22:48:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'V')ery interesting Pstarr. I guess you are right. Just like the way that old industrial cities turn into drug infested hell holes, I guess this is one of the symptoms of the decay that follows after peak oil hits.

I remember seeing a movie of Portillo addressing a huge crowd saying that we have money now, since we have oil.

It didn't work out as planned, however.

Aye Pstarr nailed It, there´s a new game in town and is called scarcity. A lot of people is bound to become economic refugees from failed societies in the near future. Mexico is just the herald of new times.
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Civil War and Cantarell depletion threaten Mexico

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 01:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he bad news begins with the fact that production from its giant offshore Cantarell field continues to fall, with corresponding declines in revenue. Total Pemex production in 2009 fell by 7.3% – most of the loss coming from Cantarell.

To add to the gloom, Pemex may be facing the prospect of importing oil for the first time in over 30 years. The state oil company says the imported oil would feed domestic refineries, which are running below capacity, and reduce Mexico’s reliance on imported fuels. Demand for gasoline and diesel exceeds 500,000 b/d. Falling oil production could turn Mexico into a net oil importer before 2020, but the current import proposal is said to be aimed at improving refinery profitability. Nevertheless, it marks a turning point in Mexico’s oil policy and is bad news both financially and politically. Production declines have reduced Mexico’s annual government budget and credit rating.

If that is not enough bad news, recurring violence from the [revolution] that menace parts of the country disrupts work and affects morale on some projects in Mexico. Earlier this year, five workers were kidnapped at the front gate of the Gigante No. 1 natural gas plant in the Burgos basin. They have not been heard from since. Another 30 other employees of contractors in the same region have been reported missing. Analysts are speculating that the “Nigerian method” is being exported to Mexico – referring to the Nigerian Movement for the Emancipation of the Nigerian Delta (MEND) that has targeted oil and gas installations in that country.

Pemex announced last month that it may offer four exploration and production contracts immediately and three more by the end of the year. Terms of the contracts to be offered are not yet clear, but Carlos Morales, chief of Exploration and Production, told Bloomberg News that “bonuses” will be paid to outside operators based on the volume and speed of oil recovered.

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The new Mexican Revolution has not disappeared, just news of it has ceased leaving the country, and much of the action is being attributed to "drug cartels".

Attacks on oil and natural gas infrastructure have continued since Calderon stole the Presidential elections in 2007.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') shadowy leftist rebel group took responsibility Tuesday for a gas pipeline blast that shut down some industry in central Mexico, including two car assembly plants.

The Popular Revolutionary Army, or EPR for its initials in Spanish, said Tuesday's explosion and two similar attacks on Pemex pipelines in Guanajuato state last week marked the beginning of a "national campaign of harassment against the interests of the oligarchy and this illegitimate government."

President Felipe Calderón's office issued a statement saying security was being reinforced at "strategic installations."

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Cantarell has been in terminal decline for some time. In 2007 it was predicted that Cantarell would be depleted by 2014 but the decline has been far more rapid than predicted.

Between the civil war attacking energy infrastructure and the depletion of Cantarell, things are on the way to collapse in Mexico.
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Re: Civil War and Cantarell depletion threaten Mexico

Unread postby americandream » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 01:51:08

Save the swearing for somewhere else. Pops

Dunno what you're worrying about. According to Graeme, all someone has to do is offer the Mexicans a sack of cash and they'll perform CPR on Cantrell.
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Re: Civil War and Cantarell depletion threaten Mexico

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 03:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')he new Mexican Revolution has not disappeared, just news of it has ceased leaving the country, and much of the action is being attributed to "drug cartels".

20% of the Mexican government income came from that one field.


What effect will this have on the US?

How much have we been importing from Mexico?

What action will the US take if the Mexican Government appears about to fall?

Calderon needs to go. We don't need this on our border. The Bush Administration created this mess by helping Calderon steal the election and supporting him afterwards.
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Re: Civil War and Cantarell depletion threaten Mexico

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 09:37:50

Mexico is already a failed state. It's been that way for some time. Our sole policy towards Mexico should be containment, otherwise the border region will become Mad Max central.
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Re: Civil War and Cantarell depletion threaten Mexico

Unread postby Mesuge » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 17:59:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', ' ')Calderon needs to go. We don't need this on our border. The Bush Administration created this mess by helping Calderon steal the election and supporting him afterwards.


:roll: You better consult your history books, this is just bad karma blowback for decades of dealing drugs domestically and internationally, uncle Sam has been the biggest dealer of them all, bambillions of lives destroyed at least since WWII. As the U.S. domestic politics field is so narrowly rightwing and will continue to do so, forget about any sane solution like legalization. Instead, what you get will be increasing spillover of these criminal and paramilitary activities, corruption and missery crawling across the border. Army won't stop it, because this is one giant mother of all dope money to be made there. Simply, check yet another box in the upcomming doom repertoire.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 18:58:07

I'll keep my eyes open for Mexican Zombies. 8O


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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby copious.abundance » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 19:36:02

Mexican economy recovering sooner than expected! :razz: :lol:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ctober 29, 2010, 11:42PM ET
Mexican economy grew by estimated 5 percent in 3Q

Mexico's Treasury Department says preliminary figures show the country's economy grew by about 5 percent in the third quarter.

That was down from a 7.6-percent GDP expansion in the second quarter.

Inflation remained about the same at 3.70 on an annualized basis at the end of September.

Economic growth was helped by a 41 percent increase in average crude prices in the third quarter, as compared to the same quarter of 2009.

That allowed total oil income to increase by 4.9 percent, despite a 1.3 percent decrease in production and increased imports, the department said Friday.

Mexico's economy is recovering from a 6.5 percent drop in GDP in 2009, the worst contraction since the 1930s.
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Re: Mexico collapse watch thread

Unread postby dolanbaker » Thu 04 Nov 2010, 21:11:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'M')exican economy recovering sooner than expected! :razz: :lol:

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ctober 29, 2010, 11:42PM ET
Mexican economy grew by estimated 5 percent in 3Q

Mexico's Treasury Department says preliminary figures show the country's economy grew by about 5 percent in the third quarter.

That was down from a 7.6-percent GDP expansion in the second quarter.

Inflation remained about the same at 3.70 on an annualized basis at the end of September.

Economic growth was helped by a 41 percent increase in average crude prices in the third quarter, as compared to the same quarter of 2009.

That allowed total oil income to increase by 4.9 percent, despite a 1.3 percent decrease in production and increased imports, the department said Friday.

Mexico's economy is recovering from a 6.5 percent drop in GDP in 2009, the worst contraction since the 1930s.

It's more like standing on the deck of the Titanic at the end that's rising while the ship's sinking!

There is a song on youtube about that, but I can't remember who did it!
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